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To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

817 replies

MyheartbelongstoG · 11/08/2017 16:10

Just that really.

OP posts:
Rollonweekend · 09/06/2018 06:39

Urgh, voting leave and applying for an Irish Passport. Some people have zero principles. Horrible, selfish behaviour not to mention no sense of civic responsibility.

TopSop · 09/06/2018 07:02

Citizenship through descent from Irish grandparents
If one of your grandparents is an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, but neither of your parents was born in Ireland, you may become an Irish citizen. You will need to have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register

This is the bit that applies to me as my grandmother was an Irishwoman (still have family there). However, I went down the Swiss passport route as my other half is Swiss by descent from his father (despite being born elsewhere) so our kids have Swiss passports already. There is a simplified naturalisation process for spouses, but you still need to fill out a few forms, get references proving your connection to CH, and then learn about Swiss history, geography, politics and culture to prepare for a written test and an interview in German, French or Italian at the embassy ... so all of us now have the little red book. We’re moving away, and in our new country we’ll all be registering as Swiss. I don’t want our British nationality potentially to be the cause of us being subject to restrictions on movement around the continent post-Brexit...

MrsSchadenfreude · 09/06/2018 07:23

Nigel Lawson applied for French residency.

Nearly all of my Brexit voting relatives are eligible for an EU passport. I am not. Are they availing themselves of a second EU passport? Of course they are.

JingsMahBucket · 09/06/2018 07:26

@MrsSchadenfreude Shock that’s horrible. I would feel so betrayed!

Bananagio · 09/06/2018 08:10

‘Just have another referendum until you have the right answer.’The EU responded to the Italian populist vote with the same words more or less.

No they didn’t - the results of the general election stand and we have a government in Italy

Bananagio · 09/06/2018 08:12

And to add to my post above had there been another general election in Italy every indication was that 5* and the League would have increased their vote share so wouldn’t have made much sense for EU to say this

Tit4TatandAllThat · 09/06/2018 08:27

@Shmithecat why did you vote leave? What does getting an Irish passport mean for you, just being able to retain FOM?

Shmithecat · 09/06/2018 08:55

Tit4TatandAllThat

Shmithecatwhy did you vote leave?
Because I'm cuntish, selfish, bigoted, racist, stupid, and believe what I read on the side of buses...

Not really, but that's what remainers think anyway and I fear I'm pissing in the wind explaining otherwise.

What does getting an Irish passport mean for you, just being able to retain FOM?

I have a property in Europe which I plan to live in in the future.

whiskybysidedoor · 09/06/2018 08:55

We’re moving away, and in our new country we’ll all be registering as Swiss. I don’t want our British nationality potentially to be the cause of us being subject to restrictions on movement around the continent post-Brexit...

Are you joking? Switzerland isn’t in the EU. They have border controls and all that shibang. There is a push at the moment to tear up the current agreement on freedom of movement with the EU. It is not a popular institution with the Swiss.

Costacoffeeplease · 09/06/2018 09:01

@Shmithecat I’m sure we’d all really like to hear your reasons, don’t be coy

borntobequiet · 09/06/2018 09:09

I doubt that the example of the U.K. would encourage the Swiss to end FOM.

RhubarbRhubarbRhubarbRhubarb · 09/06/2018 09:19

I’m sure we’d all really like to hear your reasons, don’t be coy

YY! I’m always, genuinely interested in hearing why people voted for leave. I voted remain myself, so it’s good to hear the other side. And I make no assumptions about racism blah blah.

Peregrina · 09/06/2018 09:28

So you have a property in Europe, but you are quite happy to deny your fellow citizens the same opportunities?

Costacoffeeplease · 09/06/2018 09:31

@Shmithecat so you’re getting an Irish passport to allow you to live in your property in Europe, but happily voted to leave Europe? So you’ve pulled up the ladder behind you? Nice

Costacoffeeplease · 09/06/2018 09:32

Me too Rhubarb I voted remain, I already live in Europe

Tit4TatandAllThat · 09/06/2018 09:35

Do you see the hypocrisy though Shmithecat with your vote and then taking up Irish citizenship?

I think those that voted leave got it wrong, but it's their vote to get wrong and they're entitled to it.

But yes, what you've done is massively fucking cuntish.

Teacher22 · 09/06/2018 09:39

Banangio, your comment in response to mine, as follows:-

'‘Just have another referendum until you have the right answer.

The EU responded to the Italian populist vote with the same words more or less.' (my comment)

No they didn’t - the results of the general election stand and we have a government in Italy' (your reply)

is not relevant.

My point was only to do with the fact that the British public is heartily sick of being told what to do by duplicitous, monolithic, authoritarian governments handing down fiats from on high and, therefore, voted Brexit to remove a layer of bureaucratic control.

Furthermore, the European Budget Commissioner Günther Oettinger did apologize last Tuesday for suggesting that financial markets would show Italians how to vote.

Oettinger told broadcaster Deutsche Welle i that the reaction of financial markets would give Italian voters a signal not to vote for populists.

Oettinger said,
“My concern and expectation is that the coming weeks will show that the development of the markets, government bonds and the economy of Italy will be so far-reaching that this will be a possible signal to voters not to vote for populists on the right or left.”

Given the amount of outrageous arrogance the EU has shown towards the UK during the Brexit negotiations I would not be at all surprised if any second referendum produced an even bigger majority to leave. In fact, several polls have indicated that this would , indeed, be the case.

Peregrina · 09/06/2018 09:40

But those who voted Leave should be moving heaven and earth to make Brexit work, not preparing a bolt hole elsewhere for themselves. It's almost as though they don't believe in it.

keffie12 · 09/06/2018 09:47

Fortunately, and it's the only thing as the ex is a total s..t and 3 out of 4 of them have nothing to do with him, they have the right to an Irish passport as 2nd generation. Unfortunately I don't as neither does my 2nd husband. We all voted remain. Still p.ssed off by the result. Even more as the logistics of the mess become more obvious. It was I that told my adult lads they could get one. No I don't think it's cheeky at all. We voted remain. They are entitled. Nothing cheeky about it. I would get one myself if I could

Shmithecat · 09/06/2018 09:58

What Teacher said. I don't care for 5 presidents that I didn't vote for. I don't care for the net contribution we make whilst living in austerity measures. I don't care for centralised power, nor uniform one size fits all regulations. I don't care for the fishing policies. I could go on. But what's the point? The vote is done. I don't regret my vote. I don't regret that by birth I have the right to an EU passport. Call me cuntish all you like 🤷‍♀️

Helmetbymidnight · 09/06/2018 10:01

Ah total cunt

Shmithecat · 09/06/2018 10:02

Peregrina

So you have a property in Europe, but you are quite happy to deny your fellow citizens the same opportunities?

What, after Brexit, will stop anyone buying a property in Europe? I bought outside the UK nearly 15 years ago because at the time, I couldn't afford to buy in the UK. I fail to see how I'm denying anyone anything?

Shmithecat · 09/06/2018 10:03

Helmetbymidnight

Ah total cunt

🙋‍♀️

user1471596238 · 09/06/2018 10:05

I can't see leaving the EU making any difference to austerity - it's a Tory ideology. I don't want to get involved in a pointless argument about brexit but in answer to the original point - no I don't think that it's cheeky to apply for Irish citizenship if that person is entitled to do so.

Shmithecat · 09/06/2018 10:08

user1471596238, but if the money is in our pot rather than in the EUs, it could make a difference. Like I say, I'm am optimist. Thanks for the reasoned, non sweary comment.

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