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To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

817 replies

MyheartbelongstoG · 11/08/2017 16:10

Just that really.

OP posts:
A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 18:41

With what? Where is the money coming from? From the taxes paid by the middle classes that you want to drag down into the shit with you

True colours there, nice one. it will have to be borrowed but it could end up paying for itself.

So Brexit won’t have benefited them in any way then

You obviously don't have clue about us poor people do you? You live in France at the moment, yeah?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/15/brexit-working-class-sick-racist-eu-referendum

I don’t care what kind of passport my plumber has as long as they show up on time, do a good job and don’t absolutely fleece me

Indeed, bet you still go for the cheapest one though. God, you're so middle class, I love it.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 18:42

Bombardier25966

The figures on our Net contribution are roughly correct in this case.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 18:42

I wonder how many of those with Irish heritage have actually been here or know anything about Irish history etc.

I have and do. My dad saw us very much as Irish abroad, not English. We'd go back many times with him but always ended up returning to the UK for work. I'm a singer and my earliest memories of performing was singing in the Irish Club in Liverpool for tuppence a song.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 18:44

I'm off to work now. Hope you all have a lovely evening.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 18:45

A polish plumbing company, living in a 3 bedroomed house, employing 6 people can undercut a UK company with 6 employees all living in different houses.

It's quite simple.

Apart from the bit where the FMB say it's not happening.

keyboardkate · 07/06/2018 18:45

I think it's called competitive pricing.

But sure why not pay a premium for an indigenous plumber to fix our taps in five days time at twice the price of our EU immigrants?

Ah the old Polish Plumber anecdote. No worries, go right ahead, but it is no fault of mine, it is UK plumbers not keeping up with competition in the marketplace.

So when all these immigrant tradespeople head off home because they are not welcome, I am sure the Consumer Price Index will stay the same, not.

But then again there may be some people who would never engage a Polish Plumber. That's their right, but they should not complain about customer service or price either.

This is what we are facing folks.

Racism is at the root of Brexit.

lostinsunshine · 07/06/2018 18:45

My mum, as an immigrant doing a job that British people didn't want to do after the war, lived in cramped conditions to make the most of her wages in an expensive country and to send some money back home. Irish nurse in NHS in England. Thanks Mum for giving me and mine EU citizenship that leavers tried to take off us.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 18:47

Racism is at the root of Brexit

I shout Leaver BINGO!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/15/brexit-working-class-sick-racist-eu-referendum

lostinsunshine · 07/06/2018 18:48

@A4710Rider are you still wittering on about Italy. Because us Remainers are expected to stop going on about Brexit.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 18:49

God bless your mum but you said she was in a job British people didn't want to do but was a nurse? Or have I got that wrong.

missedith01 · 07/06/2018 18:49

YABU. I'd apply for one if I could find any grounds at all ...

keyboardkate · 07/06/2018 18:50

Well that is the Guardian, not the Telegraph or the DM! Ask the so called moneyed classes what they think.

Anyway, I thought you were off to work lol. Someone has to keep the place going with so many wealthy non working class people around....

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 18:51

I know, I'll miss the bus at this rate.

Ciao.

lostinsunshine · 07/06/2018 18:51

Yep. After the war, there weren't enough British women to be nurses in the new NHS. So they imported Irish women and West Indian women to do it.

keyboardkate · 07/06/2018 18:58

A4

Good to see a bit of a sense of humour there. We will all need it soon!

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 18:58

True colours there, nice one. it will have to be borrowed but it could end up paying for itself.

Borrow? Are you serious? The country is already up to its ears in debt. The entire reason why we’ve been suffering from “austerity” for all these years is to get the debt down. We pay far more in national debt interest than we ever have to the EU and that debt interest has gone up as a direct result of Brexit because the UK’s credit rating was downgraded.

The fact is that if you want to pay for schools and hospitals you need to have some money coming in. You can’t just keep borrowing because borrowing has to be repaid with interest. If you keep borrowing with no plan to repay your country will literally go bankrupt.

If you want to pay for schools and hospitals you need “middle class” people with steady jobs paying higher rate tax. And those are the kind of people whose employment situation - and sometimes, actual presence in the UK - is being jeopardised because of Brexit.

I used to pay higher rate tax in the UK. Now I don’t. Go figure.

You obviously don't have clue about us poor people do you? You live in France at the moment, yeah?

What’s that got to do with anything? I lived in the UK all my life until a year ago. I have a good job but I’m not rich. I didn’t go to private school, I’ve done tons of minimum wage jobs, I’ve never been a homeowner.

I know it suits your argument to cast me in the role of privileged little princess, but unfortunately you don’t actually know me and the glass slipper doesn’t fit.

Indeed, bet you still go for the cheapest one though. God, you're so middle class, I love it.

I actually don’t tend to hire very many plumbers since I live in rented accommodation.

DN4GeekinDerby · 07/06/2018 18:59

LoveInTokyo I am an American as I mentioned in my first post on this thread. I was simply pointing out that going on about how we have no idea what things will be like isn't really true when, as you've clearly shown in your explaination of the immigration process and what being a non-EU migrant in the UK is like to me, people are very aware of what things are like for non-EU migrants, that people do know how unfair and two-tiered things are, that people really do not give a fuck and are happy for us to be a cash cow with more hoops to jump through and fewer rights unless it's affecting them. I mean, I've seen absolutely nothing in this that suggests people have any desire to fight for things to be better for non-EU migrants, you just don't want to be one of us. How's that for equality?

You're happy to discuss in detail how horrible it is and why it should be avoided, but that's already mine and many other people's lives and much like all the people who went on and on about how biometric ID cards are against human rights are silent with it being required of immigrants, some are looking like a bunch of hypocrites when you show you know that it's fucked up for us but don't care as long as it isn't you and yours. I thought Remain voters were meant to be the bunch who cared?

I'm mostly on the remain side, though obviously I didn't have a vote, but I think one of the big reasons remain, much like the Democrats after, had so many issues is because y'all keep acting like you can talk down and treat everyone who doesn't fall in line - to even question the rhetoric of it's all unknown doom and gloom - like we need to be talked down to and properly educated. You could have just said it's shite, and I'd probably agreed that in some parts it is and in some parts it isn't, the only reason to go on at me is if you thought I mustn't know anything about immigration. As someone who has nearly spent half my life in the dreaded non-EU migrant situation, it isn't that really bad, even when the occasional rule changes, expenses, and rhetoric, I just view it as the price I pay for getting out of where I never want to go back to. But I guess I don't have to explain that to you since you know the non-EU migrant life in the UK so well.

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 19:07

DN4GeekinDerby

I’m not sure what you’re arguing. You want there to be no immigration rules at all?

Free movement is part and parcel of EU membership. People have made life changing decisions based on having these rights and they unsurprisingly object to having these rights taken away from them against their will.

As an American, yes, you’ve been in a less privileged position. But you knew that when you decided to leave the US. You knew it would be that way and you had to plan accordingly and accept the risks associated with your decision. Brexit isn’t going to give you any additional rights, it’s just threatening to take rights away from other people - in many cases, rights they were born with and have based their entire lives around.

For what it’s worth I do think some of the current immigration rules applying to non EU citizens are unfair. I’ve given examples of some of them in my previous posts.

keyboardkate · 07/06/2018 19:20

Anyway, back to the OP.

If anyone is eligible for an EU passport be it Irish or any other, I salute you, go for it!

I do agree that it is hypocritical if a staunch Leaver applies, but still there is nothing to stop them either, is there?.

Protect yourselves and your families future I say, where you can.

I feel very sorry for those who may be stuck with no alternative, that must be galling if you voted Remain and can do nothing to retain the current FOM and so on. Tragic really and very galling.

But the UK is polarised now, and I wonder will it ever recover from this, no matter what happens.

Strongmummy · 07/06/2018 22:51

@DN4Geek - what?!?! You do realise the argument is about the destabilisation of the CURRENT situation of the UK. We’re not talking about non EU migrants. Also, you’re American, you ain’t a refugee , so you’re the last person I’d care about to be honest

Strongmummy · 07/06/2018 22:52

I’ve got two passport British and Jordanian. The latter will be off fuck all help 🤣

KennDodd · 07/06/2018 22:58

I'd take any plumber (or builder) to be honest. I've got a few jobs I need doing, both big and small, I can't even find anyone to come out and have a look despite calls to numerous companies.

KennDodd · 07/06/2018 23:11

Racism is at the root of Brexit

I agree. If you don't think there is a problem with racism in the Leave camp @A4710Rider I suggest you take yourself over to the Vote Leave/ Leave EU facebook pages and have a look at the out and out racism on there. Have a look at the groups who love Brexit the most, EDL, Britain First, NF etc. Or of course you could just ignore it and shout Bingo.

Tiggy321 · 08/06/2018 17:35

I think anyone who has the right to apply for another nationality should do so! I am in the process of applying for Belgian nationality (lived here for 14 yrs). I want a European passport and the right to live and work in Europe!

Iminitforthelonghaul · 08/06/2018 17:36

You can apply for an Irish passport even though your Mother has passed away. You can apply because you are her Daughter and she was an Irish citizen. HTH

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