To not understand why drinking alcohol while your kids are asleep is ok but smoking weed is not?

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I know this may sound like a twattish thread and I understand I may get a lot of shit for it.

The thing is though, I don't understand how wine and gin (two favourites on here) are seemingly ok to consume while kids are in bed sleeping, yet having a smoke is terrible.

Now, putting legalities aside (I don't think they matter seeing how some places are now legalising it can't be that bad) what is the issue with smoking but there seems to be no issue with drinking?

I see friends on fb and the like talking about having a few bottles almost every night some with really small babies (I'm terribly anxious so the younger the child the more I worry, even though I probably shouldn't lol) yet if you have a smoke you are deemed irresponisble and a druggie right up there with crack fs.

One person I know, would drink almost every night and would complain that her partner (now ex) would smoke weed. Yet I see them both as the same really, maybe I see the drinking as worse though because once you are drunk that's it there is no way to really stop that in an emergency. Smoking, you tend to snap out of it need be and are always alert and just snacking will make you feel how you did before anyway.

Basically, wondering what others views are?

That's not what you said though gilly. You said these farms obviously aren't widespread, offering nothing at all to back it up. Which is ludicrous. And not the same as you merely offering an anecdote about people you know.

I don't think they are widespread tbh. I don't think the fact that even one exists should take away from the trafficking of humans and slavery.
However, we'd be talking about huge areas of the countryside if they were, and that's not my experience at all.

So do you think the Police are incapable, the gov know where they are and happy for them to be contained, or that they just aren't that widespread.
Or any other reason why they are allowed to continue.

I'm not saying these farms don't exist, but it's obviously neither widespread nor something that the Police are expected to Police.

You have clearly never watched a single episode of any police procedural documentary on UK television then!
Every. Single. Episode has at least one big bust of a weed farm. Usually in a residential house where the loft and/or every bedroom is lined with tin foil and full of lights hooked up to some very dodgy wiring

I'm sure it's one of the top causes of house fires?

Pretty much. Gilly do you think when we say farms we mean, like, massive East Anglian fields full of the stuff? That's not how it works!

Being drunk can induce psychosis. It is called alcohol induced psychosis.
I have experienced it and my friend had to barricade me in a room to stop me leaving her house. I scared the shit out of her.
Not a high point in my life I'm proud of. I had a severe problem and an eating disorder, the two were quite the powerful combo.

The issue is a societal one. When something becomes illegal, you are perceived in the eyes of not only the law, but the people around you, as being a criminal too.

No parent wants that, nor wants their child to be perceived as such. Particularly as I don't think parents believe their child is really a criminal for consuming something, even if the law likes to pretend they are.

This is why they cannot ban alcohol. It is so engrained in our culture already, that if they did make it illegal, you would have parents across the country illegally brewing it or buying it from their neighbour who would now be classed as a drug dealer. People would import it, and it would be in the hands of real criminals too. They tried it in America all those years ago and you see what happened there...

The reason cannabis is kept illegal is because it is a useful political ally - the media pumps out anecdotal scare stories to keep the public in fear, political parties then use this to get votes - "Our party does not believe that cannabis should be legalised because of the dangerous link to mental health issues."

The whole "cannabis causes psychosis" thing has been debunked for a very long time, you only have to look at the rates of cannabis consumption vs the rate of people with psychosis. If the claim is true then you'd expect see a rise in people with psychosis with a rise in cannabis consumption, but psychosis levels remain or slightly decrease with an increase in consumption. The link comes from the fact that people with mental health issues are more likely to use drugs, illegal or legal, as a way to self-medicate.

Big pharma are also scared of it because it does have many wide ranging medicinal applications, which we used to benefit from in this country before it was made illegal. They cannot patent something as a drug when you can just go to your off-license and buy it there, or simply grow it yourself.

TheNightman

A house went up in flames near us last year, it took several other roofs with it as they were terraces.
I live in the NW, I know what a farm looks like.
My point was the reports that we hear/ read usually allude to these farms being in the country with lots of illegal immigrants slaving away, and it isn't the truth.
As the Police know many of the dealers it wouldn't take too much intelligence to work out where the farms were.
I mean I smoke weed and the house I refer to you could smell it walking down the street.
You could pretty much pin point it to a few houses if not the actual one.
People reported it many times as it was a busy street schools.

Oh co e in. Anyone who haa bern to university in the last 30 years knows there is a completely knobby male culture around weed. And the blokes don't get " better" from using it. They become complete dicks.

Sometimes when I'm bored/stuck under a sleeping kid, I come on MN and google 'weed' or 'cannabis' just for the entertainment value of the pearl-clutching, hyperbolic ranting pulled straight from the pages of a war-on-drugs pamphlet. I'm quite impressed by how many more rational comments there are on this thread than usual.

In my wild youth I hung around with a lot of party girls who were totally against weed until about midnight on a night out after they'd drunk half their blood volume in alcohol. Then it was all 'Roll up a joint Inky!' At which point they'd haul on a joint like it was a cigarette and proceed to be too wrecked to function. Eventually I put 2+2 together that that's what happens when you smoke after too much booze. I strongly suspect that this is the experience of many of the commenters who think that every puff of weed incapacitates you. That's not everyone's experience. Just like some of us eventually learn how to control our liquor, some of us learn how to control our pot.

Those who argue weed is bad because their pothead ex was an incompetent fuck of a parent - that's because he was an incompetent fuck of a parent and you let weed be the excuse. There are loads of us who are able to give or take a puff and still be decent, competent human beings and parents. Don't tar us all with that asshole's brush.

Finally, there are many ways to get your hands on weed that don't involve thugs and criminals. This argument is pure regurgitation of propaganda.

As far as people complaining about the smell, I fucking hate perfume and almost all scented detergents, soaps etc. Strong ones burn my eyes and leave me disoriented. We don't live in bubbles. Suck it up.

I'm riled up. Think I need a spliff.

Yes inky!

I'm just about still up inky, will pass you mine in a minute for the voice of reason.

Thanks gilly! I'm visiting famiy in Canada right now so your roach should get me through to bedtime

I don't smoke weed and have left friends houses, parties etc because others are smoking it inside but if you are smoking outside where the kids don't have to breathe it in and an adult is in a fit state to look after them it's not really any different to drinking. I would say you should probably get changed and wash before going near the kids though because weed smells disgusting!

Eh, I don't see the issue (haven't read the entire thread). If there's 2 parents and one gets stoned, smoking outside away from kid's bedrooms, I don't see an issue at all. I'd much, MUCH rather be around stoned people than anybody who's had more than one glass of wine or requires a glass of wine to relax.

I'm riled up. Think I need a spliff.

Yeah, Inky hit the nail on the head there for me. I take CBD for medicinal reasons and it legitimately helps with me with pain management and anxiety - placebo or not, it works a treat. I've never tried the actual thing because i'm scared of dizziness/nausea!

Alcohol goes in to the adult.

Weed goes in to anyone breathing the same air and clings to clothes.

I've smelled it on the coat of a neighbour's child. I know neighbour only smokes after children are in bed.

With one glass of wine I know what I'm getting. With a few puffs on a spliff I don't.

I have enjoyed in my youth and a few puffs of the good stuff can really get you can get out of it (yes it isn't always potent). Sometimes the spliff is really good and sometimes it isn't.

For the very fact, marijuana isn't legalised there isn't a consistent supply which will consistently have the same effect and potency. So, depending on what you get at any given time you can get stuff that makes you laugh like crazy and other times its like you have taken LSD. What if a kid needed to get to hospital suddenly or if there was a fire and you needed your wits about you to get everyone out the house safely?

Also Marijuana induced psychosis is enough of a reason for me not to be a regular user of the substance now I have children.

Whether having drink or having a joint doesn't matter. You are not sober. If you are solely in charge of children you probably should be sober. I seriously doubt that happens. People think having a couple of glasses of wine is ok not to different to having a smoke. In all honesty no one should do anything that impairs judgement while in charge of children. If not crack on

There's no difference if it's: 1) legal, 2) you know the dose and 3) it can't be inhaled by the children.

One is legal the other isn't. I guess you do not really want to set that example to children.

Personally feel alcohol is far more dangerous than weed if abused.

For me, it's the second hand smoke, it's not fair on anyone.

Does stagger me how alcohol though is so socially acceptable

My point was the reports that we hear/ read usually allude to these farms being in the country with lots of illegal immigrants slaving away, and it isn't the truth.

That is not the point that you actually made, then. It's also irrelevant, because it doesn't matter whether the farms are in the country, cities or both. The UK absolutely, without a doubt, has a problem with people being trafficked to grow cannabis. This isn't anywhere close to a matter of opinion. You can care about it or not, and you can think it's an argument for legalisation or not, but anyone who thinks they know better than organisations working with trafficked people is delusional.

Finally, there are many ways to get your hands on weed that don't involve thugs and criminals. This argument is pure regurgitation of propaganda.

To clarify, I presume you mean the argument that cannabis is associated with criminality per se, rather than aiming it at those of us who have pointed out that the illegality of the substance has led there to be lots of slave grown stuff being consumed in the UK?

It's just a MN thing /view

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My partner grows his own weed and vapes it in a locked room with an extractor. He is amazing with the kids. I would hate it if he drank around them though.