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To tell the dc about ex's infidelity without discussing it with him?

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theduchessstill · 09/08/2017 20:38

We split three years ago as a result of his infidelity with a mutual friend. They are no longer together – she was also married and she and ex have never been a ‘proper couple’. The dc knew her and her dd but we moved to another area of the city just before he told me, so ds1 remembers her vaguely and ds2 not at all afaik. They were 7 & 5 when we split.

When we split we just told the dc we weren’t getting on well and didn’t want to be arguing anymore. Unfortunately there were a lot of loud arguments as there was a period of 3 months between ex telling me about the affair and finally moving out. He had been a sahp (took advantage of that to shag the ow in our bed, sometimes leaving ds2 behind a stairgate Angry) so the dc had always been close to both of us – I always sort of over-compensated for not being there by kind of ‘leading things’ at weekends and during school holidays (teacher) when ex would take a step back. He wanted to move out and never wanted to be left with the dc.

The dc seem to have coped well with the split and we share custody about 70/30 to me. Ex has never had a career, which was why he was sahp, and, aside from his infidelity, we were arguing a lot over his work plans, or lack of them, at the time of the split. He wants to be a writer (but never finishes anything), or a musician (plays in bands, mainly for beer money) and since the split receives £700 per month from his mother and works part time through an agency. He has no work ethic and will walk out of places if he deems the boss to be an ‘arsehole’, or the role to be beneath him for whatever reason.

Today, looking through ds1’s school books from last year, I found some autobiographical work they had done. In it ds1 wrote about the split and how horrible it was to hear us arguing and how it has affected his life having to live between two homes. It was obviously hard to read, but not really surprising. However, twice he stated that the reason we split was that ‘dad wanted to get a job, and mum didn’t want him to.’ He also writes that I ‘wouldn’t stop teaching’ as if it was my burning desire to teach that had come between me and ex! This version of events is so far from the truth as to be laughable, especially the first bit. I asked ds why he had written that and he said it’s just what he thought. Thinking about it, ex first got a job of sorts after moving out, so I can see why ds1 has confused cause and effect in that way.

The comment about my work I feel may come from ex, as I suspect that he denigrates me to the dc and, if I am ever late from work to collect them from his, will rant about how I put my job first. Ds1 complains about my job a lot – in terms of the fact I am sometimes busy at weekends, can’t ever come to sports days etc, and, worst of all, it causes him to attend before and after school clubs, which he hates. I always explain how it pays for everything (and I mean everything – ex buys them absolutely nothing except for what he feeds them on his days, and pays me nothing) but he obviously resents it.

I just feel awful and that I have failed ds (and his brother) twice over- by giving him a shit life where he heard us arguing, has a split life, I don’t have a good work life balance and his dad has no money and lives in a pretty shitty environment – and, because we failed to give him a proper explanation for what happened and now he has made up a spurious explanation that is potentially dangerous for him to believe, in a way, because it is so far from the truth.

And no, I don’t want to be cast as the bad guy, because I’m really not, and it’s just not fair. I deal with all the shit – ex doesn’t really parent when he has them, and I can’t cope with thinking ds1 sees me as this crazed career woman who pissed everything up the wall because she was so addicted to marking.

I know if I ask ex he will tell me not to tell them, but WIBU, sometime over the remainder of the summer, to give them a highly edited, non-emotional version of the truth?

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DeannaTroika · 09/08/2017 20:44

I would tell them that you work to look after them and you all need that money to have a house and food etc. I would be clear that your job is not something to resent but to be thankful for.

But no, I would not tell children that age that daddy was shagging someone else and thats why you got divorced.

MatildaTheCat · 09/08/2017 20:44

I would give an age appropriate version of the truth. They deserve to know the facts rather than 'what they thought' which might include all sorts of inaccuracies.

As they get older they will realise which parent is the dependable and capable one. Having said that he is their dad so try not to use any language which may conflict their localities.

It must have been awful to read that.

StillDrivingMeBonkers · 09/08/2017 20:55

You can , but he spin will be that you put your career first so he had to look elsewhere as you were too busy. I would think carefully before entering any discussion like that.

fluffywhitecarpet · 09/08/2017 21:03

I would tell them an age appropriate version of the truth.

Just something simple like, Daddy liked another woman, and we decided it would be better not to be together because that's not how relationships work.

They deserve to know the truth to a certain extent, and you deserve not to have to cover up his shitty behaviour and take the blame.

Mrscropley · 09/08/2017 21:05

Dc take of the truth. . Why should twat face sit up on his pedestal??
And surely keeping quiet will only hurt them when they reach an age they should be looking to him for adult topic guidance and find out he is a cheating fraud??
They will feel guilty you carried the blame for him. .

HoneyIshrunktheBiscuit · 09/08/2017 21:14

I wouldn't tell them about the infidelity at all. I don't think it's appropriate and would be pretty spiteful to be honest.

Don't make your kids pick sides. That really isn't fair on them and they are the most important part in all of this.

ginswinger · 09/08/2017 21:16

My parents spent years, well into my late 30s, giving me their version of events. It was an exhausting spiral of acrimony and bitterness. TBH I couldn't give a monkeys who did what to whom. I loved my parents equally and understood perfectly that they didn't have a great marriage.

It's not about your relationship, it's about the kids' relationship with you. They are too young to grasp the concept of the imperfect parent who is really human so why make them take sides. They will work it out for themselves in due course but like Santa, the tooth fairy and their relationship with both of you, let them live under an illusion however unfair it is, they will work out he's a git in later years.

BumblebeeBum · 09/08/2017 21:19

I've recently discussed with my 6 year
Old that daddy didn't keep his promises and had 2 girlfriends at the same time without telling the truth and it made Mummy sad.

I think that's a fairly kid friendly version of the truth.

MandateMandy · 09/08/2017 21:22

Take a minute and think about why you want to tell the children the truth. Will it in any way make them feel happier or better? Or...is it merely to make you feel better?

I think it is a very good idea to have a chat with them about the separation. And ask them why they think the split happened. That way you can reassure them that you did not split because you wanted dad to get a job, or because you were a teacher but because you did not love each other any more.

Telling them about their father's infidelity will only serve to make your children feel more hurt and betrayed. Even telling them that dad loved another woman will leave them feeling that they were not enough for him to stay. I don't believe for a second that you want that for them.

Those who ask why he should get away with it are proposing that you hurt your ex through hurting your kids.

Please don't.

SomeOtherFuckers · 09/08/2017 21:23

Tell them. I was older but the fact they didn't tell me made me imagine up awful things on both sides and because I didn't know who or what to blame I spent years blaming both parents and more importantly myself
I even said that because I had wanted my life to be more exciting that god ( wasn't even religious) had done this in response .
Tell them - monsters only hide in the unknown.

AnyFucker · 09/08/2017 21:23

This is why it is best to tell children an age appropriate version of the truth from the beginning

Protecting a cheater comes back to bite the innocent party on the arse

mimiholls · 09/08/2017 21:24

I completely disagree you should tell them. My dad told me about his affair when i was a teenager and I wish he hadn't. It's none of my business, the ins and outs of what failed in my parents relationship is nothing to do with me and i do not wish to be party to it or have to take sides or decide who is right or wrong. You want to tell them to try and absolve yourself of blame but you need to rise above it. It's a really traumatic and damaging thing to learn about a parent especially when you have no understanding of adult relationships, I really don't think it's appropriate.

HoneyIshrunktheBiscuit · 09/08/2017 21:25

My parents split up in part because of infidelity and I wish I'd never knew or found out.

It was awful. I didn't need to know - I still would rather be in the dark about it. All your kids need to know is that you loved them and that the split was nothing to do with them.

HoneyWheeler · 09/08/2017 21:31

As a child of divorce myself I would say don't tell them. It will come out in the wash eventually as they age but I just think you will not get the response you are looking for from your children and it could confuse them more. I appreciate it might not be financially doable, but perhaps some family counseling sessions for you and the DC would have a better outcome?

Velvian · 09/08/2017 21:33

I'm in your position too, op. Ds1 is now 19 & i have maintained what I thought was a dignified silence, with the feeling that over time he would work out, which parent he can rely on. That is certainly true & ds hasn't really wanted to see his dad for the last 5 years, previously it was his dad cancelling on him. He doesn't know 'the truth' about our split, but i have started to be more open with friends & family about the split, which helps.

Piratesandpants · 09/08/2017 21:35

I agree with others, tell them an age appropriate version of the truth. The longer you leave it the more they will form their own interpretation of events and the harder it will be for them.

MsGameandWatching · 09/08/2017 21:38

It's very hard. I've never told my kids that their Dad cheated but I do say in an appropriate way that their Dad drinks too much and that's why he's unreliable in seeing them etc. They need to understand this about him so they can keep themselves safe. He's very impulsive and regularly rings up drunk to make plans to see them. I have to say no and my kids needed to know why is a limited way. Ex has lied a lot about why we split and that's fine when it's to people I don't care about but I can see a time coming when he will say it to them and then I will have to tell them the truth. They're 14 and 10.

LittleWingSoul · 09/08/2017 21:53

Oh God, so difficult OP and I really sympathise with your situation. That's so sad... What a total bastard! It's unusually not unanimous for AIBU, and I came on to also suggest an age appropriate version of the truth, as others have. Having read the comments by those who have been told of parent's infidelity has really made me think though.

I made the decision to tell DD about her big dad being violent and abusive, something along the lines of "he used to hit and shout at me and make me very sad". He has done the rest of the damage by not being there since she was 2, but I felt I owed her an explanation as to why I hadn't actively encouraged him anyway, as now that she is older and bloody hard work (9 going on 15) I genuinely fear that he would hit her, too.

So difficult. I don't know if we ever know if we're doing the right thing or damaging them or doing things to self-serve. It may be that you tell them and they have a really mature response to it, it may be that they don't. Sorry, I realise I'm not being much help but I fully understand why you want to tell them, perhaps just have a really good think about how you tell and what you hope the outcome of that to be. I agree you deserve better, I'm so sorry this happened to you!

LittleWingSoul · 09/08/2017 21:53

*birth dad, not big dad!

theduchessstill · 09/08/2017 21:56

Gosh - a real split.

I just don't know. I have no intention of getting them to pick sides, or of telling them in a way designed to turn them against ex, but, of course, I have to ask myself whether my motives are completely pure, and it's fair to say they're not I suppose.

However, I genuinely wonder whether it's helpful to be keeping them in the dark. Ds obviously wasn't satisfied with our explanation and so made up one of his own, and who knows what other embellishment his version has, which could be detrimental to our relationship with him or to his own self-worth?

The other thing is, if I decide to maintain a dignified silence, I'm sure ex isn't and never loses an opportunity to bad mouth me, my career and my money. I feel it might be better, not for me to compete, but to let ds have my version of events.

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Hissy · 09/08/2017 21:58

You are raising men, it's your duty to make sure that they have the age appropriate truth.

Yes they will be rocked by the lies they have been told, but why on earth should they grow up thinking that their version of a father is correct?

TroelsLovesSquinkies · 09/08/2017 22:00

I'd tell age appropriate version of the truth. Sis and I were 9 and 12 when mine split.
Sis and I weren't told anything. I assumed for years it was Mums fault or mine and Sis's fault for being naughty as Dad left. It messed my sister up completely as she was daddys girl and blamed Mum and was a nightmare to be around after she was about 14.
I'd rather have been told something, even it was they don't love each other enough to stay or something bland.
I'd correct him on your job, you worked because you needed to pay the bills, you wanted Dad to work, he wouldn't, it was too stressful, you didn't love each other anymore, he got a new girlfriend and left.

MandateMandy · 09/08/2017 22:01

The other part of your OP is about telling them without discussing it with ex .

The danger in this is that it becomes a tit for tat situation full of conflict - which ultimately is much more damaging for your children.

Children at this age have a very clearly defined sense of right and wrong - they will react to this news by asking their dad about it or acting out against him. When he probes this he will discover what you have told them. What if then he tells them his version of the truth - "Your mum never loved me." "Your mum just cared about her job." "I was never good enough for her- she was always trying to make me change who I am" (not suggesting that these are true but that may be his version of the truth). Then your children are left with negative feelings about BOTH of their parents. At the ages your children are at, their self-esteem is intrinsically linked with their perceptions of their parents. Them feel shitty about their parents=them feeling shitty about themselves.

Talk to them, let them ask you questions, answer without blame - assure them nothing in the world means more to you and their dad than they do, tell them how proud you both are of them.

theduchessstill · 09/08/2017 22:06

I know it's not ideal telling them without discussing it with him, and that ideally we'd tell them together, but there is no way he'll agree to it because he knows it makes him look like a prize shit - even if it's done in a sensitive way. I don't see why he gets to make that call just out of self-interest.

My idea was to tell him, after telling them, that it came up in conversation (well, it kind of did) and that I ended up telling them a very watered down version. I can then also discuss with him how they reacted etc and hope he won't be more of a dick than he has been already about it.

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HoneyIshrunktheBiscuit · 09/08/2017 22:08

I do think there is a difference between telling children dad was abusive or dad was a drunk and telling them dad was a cheat.

I can understand why you want them to hear your version of events. Absolutely empathise with that. But honestly by the end of it I didn't care about my parents differing version of events. They doesn't so much time blaming each other that I began to dislike both of them immensely. I was in the middle constantly. I still am in the middle as they refuse to communicate. knowing the truth about my mums infidelity and my dads stealing/debt didn't help me process the break up at all. It just left me in a battleground.

I do think it is telling that those of us who knew about their parents infidelity would rather have not known.