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To tell the dc about ex's infidelity without discussing it with him?

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theduchessstill · 09/08/2017 20:38

We split three years ago as a result of his infidelity with a mutual friend. They are no longer together – she was also married and she and ex have never been a ‘proper couple’. The dc knew her and her dd but we moved to another area of the city just before he told me, so ds1 remembers her vaguely and ds2 not at all afaik. They were 7 & 5 when we split.

When we split we just told the dc we weren’t getting on well and didn’t want to be arguing anymore. Unfortunately there were a lot of loud arguments as there was a period of 3 months between ex telling me about the affair and finally moving out. He had been a sahp (took advantage of that to shag the ow in our bed, sometimes leaving ds2 behind a stairgate Angry) so the dc had always been close to both of us – I always sort of over-compensated for not being there by kind of ‘leading things’ at weekends and during school holidays (teacher) when ex would take a step back. He wanted to move out and never wanted to be left with the dc.

The dc seem to have coped well with the split and we share custody about 70/30 to me. Ex has never had a career, which was why he was sahp, and, aside from his infidelity, we were arguing a lot over his work plans, or lack of them, at the time of the split. He wants to be a writer (but never finishes anything), or a musician (plays in bands, mainly for beer money) and since the split receives £700 per month from his mother and works part time through an agency. He has no work ethic and will walk out of places if he deems the boss to be an ‘arsehole’, or the role to be beneath him for whatever reason.

Today, looking through ds1’s school books from last year, I found some autobiographical work they had done. In it ds1 wrote about the split and how horrible it was to hear us arguing and how it has affected his life having to live between two homes. It was obviously hard to read, but not really surprising. However, twice he stated that the reason we split was that ‘dad wanted to get a job, and mum didn’t want him to.’ He also writes that I ‘wouldn’t stop teaching’ as if it was my burning desire to teach that had come between me and ex! This version of events is so far from the truth as to be laughable, especially the first bit. I asked ds why he had written that and he said it’s just what he thought. Thinking about it, ex first got a job of sorts after moving out, so I can see why ds1 has confused cause and effect in that way.

The comment about my work I feel may come from ex, as I suspect that he denigrates me to the dc and, if I am ever late from work to collect them from his, will rant about how I put my job first. Ds1 complains about my job a lot – in terms of the fact I am sometimes busy at weekends, can’t ever come to sports days etc, and, worst of all, it causes him to attend before and after school clubs, which he hates. I always explain how it pays for everything (and I mean everything – ex buys them absolutely nothing except for what he feeds them on his days, and pays me nothing) but he obviously resents it.

I just feel awful and that I have failed ds (and his brother) twice over- by giving him a shit life where he heard us arguing, has a split life, I don’t have a good work life balance and his dad has no money and lives in a pretty shitty environment – and, because we failed to give him a proper explanation for what happened and now he has made up a spurious explanation that is potentially dangerous for him to believe, in a way, because it is so far from the truth.

And no, I don’t want to be cast as the bad guy, because I’m really not, and it’s just not fair. I deal with all the shit – ex doesn’t really parent when he has them, and I can’t cope with thinking ds1 sees me as this crazed career woman who pissed everything up the wall because she was so addicted to marking.

I know if I ask ex he will tell me not to tell them, but WIBU, sometime over the remainder of the summer, to give them a highly edited, non-emotional version of the truth?

OP posts:
MandateMandy · 09/08/2017 23:28
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JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/08/2017 23:29

You need to be honest with your kids

Genghi you sure about this? Or you just need to be honest when it suits your agenda? Your kids never believed in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, God I take it? Im sure you were happy to lie then so why do you feel the OP should unburden herself onto the children, just because he was a crap husband doesnt mean he will be a crap father why sour the milk now?

Carolinesbeanies · 09/08/2017 23:30

"It actually took my breath away."

Sorry OP, but I hope Ive prompted you to stop and think.

Voice0fReason · 09/08/2017 23:32

No, please don't tell them, it could hurt them far more than it could hurt him. You can explain about work without going into any more detail.
Children just don't need to know this much about their parents and their relationship.

Carolinesbeanies · 09/08/2017 23:41

"I just have to rise above it. Again."

Its utterly shit OP, but yes, that is absolutely what you must do. Be the grown up. Be the reliable consistant parent. The DCs will repay you 1000 times as they get older.

Comtesse · 09/08/2017 23:42

I dunno about the OP caroline but you've certainly made me think - are you this self righteous in real life you? OP is asking for advice not a kicking. Get a grip.

fuckingbubbling · 09/08/2017 23:43

Age appropriate PLEASE
My DH cheated on his ex (which I will never ever condone) but the actual things she said to their kids at 5&6 years of age are beyond disgusting and partly untrue!

ReanimatedSGB · 09/08/2017 23:52

No, don't tell them bad things about their father just to paint yourself as the wronged and virtuous one. Emphasise, first of all, that you and your XH splitting up was not their fault in any way - you separated because you were not making each other happy and it was better for you not to live togehter, and then stick to the basics - that you need to work so that there's enough to eat and a nice house etc, and the good points about your job (as someone said upthread, that you are helping other DC to learn etc). They will see their dad's faults for themselves in time - and yours - but telling them all his misdeeds now will probably mean that you and XH are regularly slagging each other off to them and this will make them miserable.

RidingWindhorses · 10/08/2017 00:05

I disagree with people on here that it's not important that your boys don't know that your job is not why you split. I think they may internalise it as -

TakeMe2Insanity · 10/08/2017 00:10

As a child who went through pretty much that I would say an age appropriate version is better than the disney version.

sykadelic · 10/08/2017 03:25

I actually do think it's a good idea for you to tell the children that it's NOT due to work, but I don't think it's a good idea to mention the infidelity right now (I'd wait till they're older at the least).

I would sit your children down (maybe just the eldest for now) and talk to them about the split.

I would talk to them about the arguing. How you're both sorry about the yelling and the arguing. Explain to them that sometimes mummies and daddies fight, but it wasn't fair to them that you fought in front of them so that's one of the reasons that you and daddy don't live together anymore.

I would explain that there were many reasons that you and daddy fought, but that you didn't want him to think it had anything to do with work, because it didn't. That working is important and it's because you work that you're able to afford presents, and food, and others things that they like to do. That it's important to have a job and that you work as hard as you do because you want them to be able to have [insert thing they do] and that costs money. That you know it's not fair sometimes that you have to do and he has to do but there are a lot of parents and kids that have to do the same, but that you're happy you know now and you'll do so that you can do .

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/08/2017 03:33

I would strongly urge you to tell them the truth. Appropriately of course.

I could not disagree more with those posters that say the opposite. I know I wanted to know.

You are the one person in the world the dc should trust more than anyone. If they can't trust you to be honest then where does that leave them Confused

Posters who would hide the truth would do their kids no favours at all.

MeganBacon · 10/08/2017 04:21

In general I would not allow misconceptions to continue because I think it does no-one any favours. But it's important to describe things in a factual unbiased way and not appear hard done by.

Most important is to correct their view of his poor work ethic. At the moment dc's believe op's job makes them unhappy and they misunderstand the role of working in the split. It is important to correct that so that DC's can grow up viewing a good work ethic as positive.
Infidelity is harder to discuss in neutral terms and should be left for now if OP can't do this yet. But I think it does not hurt to know that adult relationships are built on trust and breaking the trust broke the relationship (if this is what broke the relationship). Detail much beyond that is unnecessary.

I agree that OP shouldn't paint him in a bad light but she shouldn't make him look better than he is by hiding the truth from them either, because he won't be any different now and they'll only have to learn it all over if OP hasn't already prepared them for what he's like. It's all about how it's done.

User24689 · 10/08/2017 05:59

My parents split up because my dad had an affair with a family friend. I knew what happened (I was a teenager and I actually found out before mum did) and it really damaged my relationship with my dad.

A couple of years later, my dad told me that my mother also had an affair, one that he discovered after several years, when us kids were young. She used to meet up with this guy in hotels and disappear for weekends, he wouldn't know where she was. He only found out because the OM's wife called him at work one day to tell him she had discovered the affair. She was a stranger to him.

He was devastated telling me, broke down completely. He said that my mum's affair had completely destroyed the marriage which they tried to patch up before he met someone else.

They both behaved badly but I was glad to know the truth because I have stopped blaming my dad for the split now I know there was infidelity on both sides.

I think your sons should know. Maybe not now but when they're old enough to understand. It doesn't seem fair that they resent you and your job.

DotForShort · 10/08/2017 06:35

I would not tell them about the infidelity. IMO there is no way to impart that information in an "age appropriate" manner. These children are very young. They have a right to a strong, close, loving relationship with both parents. Revealing details about their father's behaviour could well cause confusion, anxiety, divided loyalties. Will this knowledge help them in any way? I really don't think so. They are unlikely to find comfort in the explanation, because at 8 and 10 they simply can't be expected to understand adult relationships. And of course it wouldn't be some hypothetical or theoretical discussion of marriage and divorce. They would be trying to make sense of their own father's actions. I can't imagine it would be helpful to them in any way.

OTOH I see nothing wrong in explaining to DS1 that he has misunderstood the reasons leading to the divorce. Telling him that your job/your ex's job (or lack thereof) had no bearing on things is very different from revealing their father's infidelity. It's such a delicate situation and I think requires very careful handling. I really feel for you. It's not easy.

GruffaloPants · 10/08/2017 08:24

I wouldn't tell them. He'll just make it into "yes, your mother was so cruel and cold she drove me away, I had to find affection elsewhere, sob, sob".

Kids don't need to know about their parents' sex lives.

Bodicea · 10/08/2017 08:31

I would tell them the truth.
I was told of my dads affair at 10. I could handle it. Stopped me putting my dad on a pedestal and I had more empathy for my mum.
Why should they be kept in the dark? Kids aren't stupid. And deserve to know the facts.

GruffaloPants · 10/08/2017 09:04

I guess everyone is different. I hated knowing about my Dads affairs. But I didn't have him on a pedestal anyway, he was obviously unreliable and inconsistent. Maybe that was the difference.

grannytomine · 10/08/2017 09:19

They are 50% you and 50% him. If you tell them he is shit and he tells them you are shit that means they are shit. Don't get into a war of words, tell your son that you worked because you could earn more money than dad and you work now because he needs a home and food and clothes. I don't think kids benefit from the rest.

MandateMandy · 10/08/2017 09:48

Posters who would hide the truth would do their kids no favours at all

And yet much research has said the opposite. Do you have any evidence for this statement or is it merely your own opinion?

Children who are 7 and 10 do not understand sex. They do not understand what part it plays in adult relationships. They understand LOVE in a familial way NOT a sexual way. They simply will never understand the implications of the whole truth.

Telling them that your job was not to blame for the breakdown of the marriage is telling them the truth. Telling them that mum and dad decided they couldn't live together anymore is telling them the truth.

Op if you can read this book and give one to your ex if you think he will receive it graciously.

Parenting Apart

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 10/08/2017 09:48

Posters who would hide the truth would do their kids no favours at all

The truth could be seen as "Mummy and Daddy argue too much, Mummy and Daddy don't make each other happy, and cant live together"

I guess it really depends how decisive a factor the affair was, as sounds like they were pretty fucking miserable anyway

I do 100% agree that OP needs to put things right re the work issue and that bullshit. Work ethic is good and Mummy NEED to work, as people need money. The kids need to understand that

I thinks its very delicate balance here, and its very annoying to see your kids hero worship someone that shat all over you. but as I have learnt myself its a very poor idea to bad mouth their Father , as it fucks with their little heads and upsets them

GinaFordCortina · 10/08/2017 09:54

I'd tell them.

EatTheChocolateTeapot · 10/08/2017 10:02

Of course it's better to tell the truth. Their dad had a girlfriend and you can't have a wife and a girlfriend so had to split, simple.

RidingWindhorses · 10/08/2017 10:06

Children understand friendship though and they understand that sometimes friends go off with other people.

Personally I don't know what I'd tell them about the split, but a) I think they must be told about OP's work and b) the explanation of the split shouldn't be too far from the truth as truth has a habit of getting out. And it musnt feel like they were lied to when they learn the truth later on.

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/08/2017 10:11

Mandate

Yes. Advised to by the psychiatrist currently treating my dd who is 10. In agreement with the MDT involved.