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To tell the dc about ex's infidelity without discussing it with him?

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theduchessstill · 09/08/2017 20:38

We split three years ago as a result of his infidelity with a mutual friend. They are no longer together – she was also married and she and ex have never been a ‘proper couple’. The dc knew her and her dd but we moved to another area of the city just before he told me, so ds1 remembers her vaguely and ds2 not at all afaik. They were 7 & 5 when we split.

When we split we just told the dc we weren’t getting on well and didn’t want to be arguing anymore. Unfortunately there were a lot of loud arguments as there was a period of 3 months between ex telling me about the affair and finally moving out. He had been a sahp (took advantage of that to shag the ow in our bed, sometimes leaving ds2 behind a stairgate Angry) so the dc had always been close to both of us – I always sort of over-compensated for not being there by kind of ‘leading things’ at weekends and during school holidays (teacher) when ex would take a step back. He wanted to move out and never wanted to be left with the dc.

The dc seem to have coped well with the split and we share custody about 70/30 to me. Ex has never had a career, which was why he was sahp, and, aside from his infidelity, we were arguing a lot over his work plans, or lack of them, at the time of the split. He wants to be a writer (but never finishes anything), or a musician (plays in bands, mainly for beer money) and since the split receives £700 per month from his mother and works part time through an agency. He has no work ethic and will walk out of places if he deems the boss to be an ‘arsehole’, or the role to be beneath him for whatever reason.

Today, looking through ds1’s school books from last year, I found some autobiographical work they had done. In it ds1 wrote about the split and how horrible it was to hear us arguing and how it has affected his life having to live between two homes. It was obviously hard to read, but not really surprising. However, twice he stated that the reason we split was that ‘dad wanted to get a job, and mum didn’t want him to.’ He also writes that I ‘wouldn’t stop teaching’ as if it was my burning desire to teach that had come between me and ex! This version of events is so far from the truth as to be laughable, especially the first bit. I asked ds why he had written that and he said it’s just what he thought. Thinking about it, ex first got a job of sorts after moving out, so I can see why ds1 has confused cause and effect in that way.

The comment about my work I feel may come from ex, as I suspect that he denigrates me to the dc and, if I am ever late from work to collect them from his, will rant about how I put my job first. Ds1 complains about my job a lot – in terms of the fact I am sometimes busy at weekends, can’t ever come to sports days etc, and, worst of all, it causes him to attend before and after school clubs, which he hates. I always explain how it pays for everything (and I mean everything – ex buys them absolutely nothing except for what he feeds them on his days, and pays me nothing) but he obviously resents it.

I just feel awful and that I have failed ds (and his brother) twice over- by giving him a shit life where he heard us arguing, has a split life, I don’t have a good work life balance and his dad has no money and lives in a pretty shitty environment – and, because we failed to give him a proper explanation for what happened and now he has made up a spurious explanation that is potentially dangerous for him to believe, in a way, because it is so far from the truth.

And no, I don’t want to be cast as the bad guy, because I’m really not, and it’s just not fair. I deal with all the shit – ex doesn’t really parent when he has them, and I can’t cope with thinking ds1 sees me as this crazed career woman who pissed everything up the wall because she was so addicted to marking.

I know if I ask ex he will tell me not to tell them, but WIBU, sometime over the remainder of the summer, to give them a highly edited, non-emotional version of the truth?

OP posts:
MandateMandy · 09/08/2017 22:09

Why do you want them to know?

LanaDReye · 09/08/2017 22:16

I would back the age appropriate truth suggestions.

I wish I had known the truth when I was a child, didn't have a close relationship with my parents. My DCs tell me that they can tell me anything as I'm honest with them.

ireallydontlikefootball · 09/08/2017 22:17

What happens if you tell them he cheated and they blame you for his behaviour anyway? That'll be even worse.

Haffdonga · 09/08/2017 22:18

I think you can tell your dcs a much truer version of events without the full gory details.
The reason dad and I split up is because dad wanted to spend time with another person, and not me. We shouted and argued a lot because I was very angry and upset that he had broken his promises to me. I'm sorry you heard us arguing. It's good that we can agree things with each other without arguing now. I didn't mind if dad got a job and that's not the reason we split up.

theduchessstill · 09/08/2017 22:27

I want them to know for two reasons:

  1. I feel they are being left with the impression that my job was a massive factor in the split and I feel it grossly unfair and inaccurate, and it could even be the case that they are getting a negative impression of work from it. From their pov, I work hard and therefore am busy/tired/stressed/ a bad wife (?), while ex works less hard and still has most things I do. What if it damages their work ethic? Ds2 said a few weeks ago 'I understand why Daddy buys me less birthday presents than you do - it's because I'm with him less so it makes it fairer.' I tried to find a way to say that it's because he doesn't work so he can't afford it, but probably messed it up ... I want them to see work as bringing benefits, but I'm not sure it's working out that way and he sets an appalling example to them.
  1. I'm not sure how beneficial it is for people to grow up not really knowing who their parents are. I really appreciate the comments from people who experienced similar from a child's pov, and obviously no one wants to hear their parents banging on about this stuff in an acrimonious way endlessly, but do people really regret knowing the truth. I have one friend who came to understand her dad's weaknesses as an adult and she always says she wishes her mum hadn't protected her from it and she feels guilty for the shit she gave her mum as a teen, and another whose mum always said she would tell her the reasons for the split 'one day', but my friend is now 30 and 'one day' has never come! She respects her mum's decision but is irritated at not being told and feels nothing that could be revealed would come between her and either of her parents.
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MandateMandy · 09/08/2017 22:31

The reason dad and I split up is because dad wanted to spend time with another person,

Dad might not agree that this is actually why they split up. What if Dad sees it differently? What if Dad tells them that mum and dad would have split up anyway because they were fighting all the time, and dad did get a new friend because Mum was being very unfriendly to him all the time and Dad was lonely and sad all the time because Mum was so unkind.

If you open the doors to this kind of blame it grows and grows.

cestlavielife · 09/08/2017 22:34

You can only tell your truth about you
That you work hard to give your dc x and y

Tell them they need to ask dad if they want to know his reasons.

AntiGrinch · 09/08/2017 22:35

I think the infidelity is less important than the fact that you work because you love your children and will take great care to provide for them properly, and your ex doesn't really bother with work because he knows you will always take care of the dcs and so doesn't put himself to that trouble as much as you do.

I think this is very tricky for children to understand. (I didn't - my mum taught because she was afraid of what would happen to us if something happened to my dad and she had nothing and no means of earning - but at the time I thought she just wanted to get away from us.)

If I were you I would talk about you and your feelings for the children and your need and desire to work and provide; no need really to talk about your ex, if you can get across why you work really clearly.

This is such a funny one. People never look to the non-providing man when criticising a working woman. (I am not saying at all that it is ideal for women not to work; but whether or not you think this, the reality is that woman work damned hard because no other fucker will and someone has to.) Children do this too. I have an ex who should know perfectly well why I had to work so hard (he didn't) and still blames me for it. I don't know. It's not susceptible to logic.

HoneyIshrunktheBiscuit · 09/08/2017 22:36

I mean this in the nicest way possible but it does sounds like you just want your kids to dislike their father.

Let them work out for themselves what their father is like.

MandateMandy · 09/08/2017 22:42

Your first point you can absolutely cover without mentioning their Dad at all. Just tell them the split had nothing to do with your job. You could even encourage your ex to back you up on this. Surely if there was a choice between him backing you up or you telling them he cheated he would absolutely do it.

Your second point - you have had many many people on this thread tell you that they wish their parents hadn't told them.

This isn't something you should rush into. Start off with explaining your work situation and all the issues that were NOT contributing factors. You can still decide to tell them later if you feel it is the only thing you can do, but in the meantime do some research and make an informed decision.

Carolinesbeanies · 09/08/2017 22:44

Its a really bitchy thing for you to do OP, and you clearly have no interest in how your DC will feel about it.

."I'm not sure how beneficial it is for people to grow up not really knowing who their parents are."

This, is exactly what youre trying to achieve. Pass on your version of their father. Youre writing as if he was Ian Huntley or something.

Well suck it up. He was good enough for you to sleep with. He was good enough for you to live with. He was good enough for you to have children with. You picked him. Now youve decided you want the DCs to know that actually, hes just a real bastard who you cant forgive. Brilliant.

You will no doubt do whatever you want to do to gain whatever satisfaction it is your getting from this, but dont come back in 10 years when your DCs move out and refuse to have a relationship with you.

Your DCs have found a way to make sense of whats gone on. Whats wrong with that? Telling your 'version' of events wont mean mummy is suddenly home everyday, or changes any circumstances theyre living with on a day to day basis now. Youre dumping your shit on your childrens shoulders. Its bitchy, spiteful, utterly unneccesary, and quite simply demanding your children accept adult issues on their shoulders. For what? Theyre children and youre supposed to be the grown up.

KarmaNoMore · 09/08/2017 22:46

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Ebony69 · 09/08/2017 22:53

Your kids absolutely do not need to know. Even if he has said inappropriate things to them about the separation, it doesn't make it right for you to do so. Rather than clarifying matters for them, it would leave them in a state of confusion wondering which parent to believe. Put your own agenda aside and think about their interests.

Madwoman5 · 09/08/2017 22:54

I would tell them what it was not. Not because he got a job. Not because of them. Not because of your job. That it was between you and dad and therefore, private. Telling them about the concept of privacy is important....it is not always good to share, especially grown up stuff... but it is important to tell him his assumption was wrong. Either way it made you sad and angry and you are sorry if that made them sad and angry too.
Explain that their teachers have to work after work too and explain that you are helping other children to learn like they do. It will help underpin how hard teacher's work and detract from the impact on your home life. Try and get them on board and interested rather than make excuses for your job. lesson plan discussions can help with this. As they get older they will appreciate that to pay bills, have a roof above their heads and food in their bellies, you need to have a job. To get a job, you need an education. To get an education you need a teacher.....

amicissimma · 09/08/2017 22:58

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theduchessstill · 09/08/2017 23:05

Carolinesbeanies I've been posting on here for over 10 years and under various user names. I've had some brilliant advice but also had my arse handed to me many times. No one has ever made me feel so utterly shit as your post just did. It actually took my breath away.

Good grief woman, life is unfair, it sucks at times Gee, thanks for pointing it out - I hadn't noticed Hmm.

Thank you MandateMandy you are probably right.

I'm struggling a lot with the realisation that no matter what I do as a parent, it only goes as far as their next visit to ex's and then I'm often back at square one. So I do have a lot of anger towards ex, and I suppose that came to a head when I saw that piece of writing, but I suppose I just have to rise above it. Again.

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BurnTheBlackSuit · 09/08/2017 23:07

I wonder if your DS story has a different origin. Is he blaming your work for the split because he finds you working hard, therefore Daddy must too. And your DS doesn't want his Dad to have a job either and resents this so thinks you must too? After all, their dad was the primary care giver until he was 7 and then suddenly he went from having a sahp to both parents working and clubs etc. That was the massive change to HIS life, so maybe he's projecting. (Not saying your DS is right to feel this, or that you are to blame).

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 09/08/2017 23:08

How horrible to read that OP

Kids can wound you without meaning to

Oh and despite your work life balance you have very good job to be a single mum Grin

They will find out when they are a bit older as these things come out but I think you risk a huge deal telling them this , it's not going to achieve anything positive and might cause them pain and confusion

Hang tight and look after you as it sounds like you have been through the mill

And on the bright side him cheating gave you a cast iron excuse to get the coco lodger out - really

It's going to get easier Flowers

Ebony69 · 09/08/2017 23:09

*"I've recently discussed with my 6 year
Old that daddy didn't keep his promises and had 2 girlfriends at the same time without telling the truth and it made Mummy sad.

I think that's a fairly kid friendly version of the truth."

No, there was nothing kid friendly about that. Just imagine being told that by your mother as a six year old. It was entirely unnecessary for her to be offloaded on when she doesn't have the emotional maturity to process it.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 09/08/2017 23:13

I would also have a word with him

'I for obvious reasons have not told the children that you fucked xxxx' as such I would appreciate it if you could return the favour and it had mouth me to the children

The thing is he is fucked he has lost his home , his kids and he is dependant on his Mum , loser

And he will blame you For this .

It's really hard

Oh and just fucking ignore that earlier post
Some people just baffle me how unkind they are

Genghi · 09/08/2017 23:16

You need to be honest with your kids. It shouldn't be your problem how your DH reacts.

Plainlycrackers · 09/08/2017 23:19

My friend held back from telling her DCs about her exH's infidelity which was the cause of their divorce, then he started telling the DC that it was her fault and if she apologised they could all be together again (v weird anyway as he was living with the OW!). She told them the simple truth then in an age appropriate manner. Simple honesty is usually the best policy.

notevernotnevernotnohow · 09/08/2017 23:21

You need to be honest with your kids

You don't! Kids don't need to hear about their parents intimate relationships, its completely inappropriate and unfair. They don't understand and you're using them to get at each other.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 09/08/2017 23:23

The one thing to consider is

Were you gloriously in love and he cheated on you and broke your heart

Or were the cracks and resentment there anyway (he sounds like a man with a low work ethic) and the affair was the straw that broke the camels back ?

Just be very honest with yourself . I think that regardless of who he is and what he is your kids love him and they will see and learn what he is like .

And they will make excuses ( the story your son said Abiut the present is a classic example ) .

But he needs to stop bad mouthing you and maybe you need to have an adult discussion / And the fact you can't truly shows you are better off

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/08/2017 23:25

Genghi
You need to be honest with your kids. It shouldn't be your problem how your DH reacts.

It is her problem how the children react though, the right time to tell them (in a child friendly) would have been when the split happened.

Now there are alsorts of shit that could cause major issues.

IMO the best advice is from stopfuckingshoutingatme with the message to the ex,

If he persists in telling his version of the events (if he is) then the children will have to be told.

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