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Festival and DH

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ComeTheFuck0nBridget · 09/08/2017 12:20

DH and I are at a festival abroad, it's for DHs niche music interest which I don't mind but am not really a fan of. I was happy to come as I know he loves it and it's a dream festival for him.

We're on day 3 so far, 2 more days left and I am knackered. I am not in the best shape and it's a long walk to and from the festival to the little studio flat we're stopping in, plus standing around for hours watching bands etc. We've walked at least ten miles on each of the two days so far. My feet and legs are killing me.

So today DH wanted us to go and watch a couple of bands in the afternoon, come back here for some dinner and then go back for the evening. I opted to stay in the flat for the afternoon after explaining how I felt, will make dinner for when he gets back and then go to the evening shows.

DH has kicked off about this, said it's shit to go on his own, that he isn't having it for the rest of the week etc. That I shouldn't have agreed to come if I can't handle it. I feel really guilty now but we're only halfway through, and I thought it wouldn't matter for a few hours.

If it was the other way around I know for a fact I wouldn't have minded and I would have suggested this arrangement to him myself.

AIBU to have wanted to stay off this afternoon for a rest and sent DH on his own?

OP posts:
Seeingadistance · 09/08/2017 17:41

It's less about him not wanting to go by himself, and more about him trying to bully his wife going with him in the full knowledge that she is knackered, in pain and discomfort and would rather rest for a few hours.

araiwa · 09/08/2017 18:21

I remember using 'my legs ache' when i was a toddler going round the shops and i was bored and didnt want to any more

CotswoldStrife · 09/08/2017 19:00

It wasn't the gender of the protagonists here for me, it was the big fan on one side and the tagging-along-for-company on the other that made me think it was OK to stay home for the afternoon.

You have confirmed it's an ongoing issue (doing things on his own) so as you rightly predicted it was likely to cause an issue. It's not an attractive trait in this instance though.

I also wondered why you were going back and forth to the flat rather than eat there, especially if you knew you were likely to have a problem with the distance. Would he not consider a compromise of one trip to the festival per day?

hiphopcat · 09/08/2017 19:02

@lelapaletute

HipHop, I think all men are susceptible to it to a degree, and i think it comes from cultural norms and upbringing. Boys and men are raised believing their wants matter and that they are entitled to be happy in a way not many girls are - in fact girls are trained the opposite, that to be good and loveable they should put themselves last. So it can seem to women that men are being stunningly selfish and manipulative, because rather than biting their tongues and going without and bending over backwards to accommodate others, they say what they want and aren't in the least embarrassed to do what it takes to get it,up to and including taking advantage of the fact the women in their lives are trained to feel responsible for their happiness. So the two dynamics play very well together to keep a lot of women living lives of quiet desperation and self sacrifice, and a lot of men quite perfectly satisfied thank you, without ever thinking they'd a done anything more than be assertive. Thank you the patriarchy!

Absolutely brilliant post! Better than I could EVER have put it. And you are absolutely right. To be fair, I guess some men expecting their own way, (over and above their wife and children,) and women taking it and tolerating it, is not actually the fault of the men, as it is (often) how they have been raised.

HOWEVER, even though some men can't always help this entitled attitude, as it's how they've been raised, what IS the fault of these men (and what really effing grates on me,) is how they sulk and go all passive aggressive when they don't get their own way. Sometimes dragging a snide and snarky mood out for several days to 'punish' the woman for 'stopping' them from getting their own way.

THAT fucks me right off. Hmm

I know not all men are awful, and I don't want to start man bashing, as we all have our flaws. But the few posters on here who are trying to deny that some men think their wants and needs are more important than that of their wife and children, and also trying to deny that some men can be being passive aggressive and controlling if they don't get their own way, are deluded, OR have never been in the position of being in a relationship with a man like this.

I know not saying ALL men are like this, but a bloody good amount of them are! And it's insulting to the women who have been on the receiving end of their childish, emotionally abusive, passive aggressive sulks and churlish behaviour, to say 'put yer feet up and get over yerself!'

I'm not gonna lie, my DH acts like this too occasionally, but I scream irrationally at him (sometimes!) and he snaps out of it because he is scared of my rants. Grin (Anyway, if he pisses me off too royally, he won't get a shag, his ironing done, or his dinner cooked.)

Not helping the sisterhood am I?! Confused

DonaldStott · 09/08/2017 19:29

I can't get over the fact that he thinks fold up chairs are embarrassing.

He sounds about 12.

lelapaletute · 09/08/2017 20:07

DarkerWeb, I don't think anyone said "toxic masculinity" except you. Did you read my post, or just see the word "patriarchy" an put your "argh feminazi!" goggles on? Hmm

lelapaletute · 09/08/2017 20:20

HipHop, I sympathise! I often think the only way around it is for us women to overcome our people-pleasing conditioning and just Do What We Want (within reason), even if it occasionally puts our other halves out a bit read isn't exactly what they want. Especially those of us who the worst we'll face is a sulk. For gods sake, a sulk! Why do we let it make us feel guilty?? I could sulk until the does come home and my DP (bless him) wouldn't even notice as long as he'd got his own way! The temptation to martyrdom followed by bitterness is so strong, it's how I'm fecking programmed - but I really do try now to "fake it until I make it", to act like what I want or don't want is just as valid and important even when I don't really feel it, and to fight for my preference as shamelessly as DP would for his. When I'm really struggling to overcome my conditioning, I tell myself it's actually in his long term best interest to do so, as it's surely better for him to have a happy fulfilled life partner rather than a bored/exhausted/resentful one. How sad is that??? Blush One step at a time I suppose!

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/08/2017 20:24

@DarkerWeb it's not about deriding the DH for me. He can like company and feel uncomfortable on his own. It's the stroppy, mean, bullying methods he's using to get his own way. I often accompany DH to stuff like Henry Rollins' spoken word stuff and it's great. But the third or fourth day of five days and she wants an afternoon off? He's an arsehole. An entitled, controlling arsehole.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 09/08/2017 20:35

The festival sounds like a bloody endurance event to me. Standing for hours and hours watching bands. When we go to festivals we like to dip in and out of watching the bands and take in some of the other stuff going on. Is there ant comedy or theatre or circus at this festival? Are there interesting stalls? Nice food? Anything to break things up a bit.

DarkerWeb · 10/08/2017 03:20

@MrseTerryPratcgett

entitled, controlling, abusive arsehole, selfish prick, red flag ...

I sometimes wonder if I live in a parallel universe to other posters.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 10/08/2017 03:33

He's a big fucking baby. Not very punk rock.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/08/2017 03:55

DH has kicked off about this, said it's shit to go on his own, that he isn't having it for the rest of the week etc. That I shouldn't have agreed to come if I can't handle it. and she knew he would kick off. Sounds like a peach @DarkerWeb

echt · 10/08/2017 03:56

I'm Shock about the folding chair aversion. I go to festivals in Australia, where folding chairs are used by all ages, indeed, if you leave your chair while you go back to your tent for a lie-down, someone will be sitting in it when you get back, and politely vacate it.

Oh and they bring sofas.

Back to the chairs, if people want to stand, they go to the mosh-pit.

DarkerWeb · 10/08/2017 04:12

He sounds like he's put out and I would be too. He probably should have grinned and beared it though.

I think that the OP is being reasonable.

However, the red flag, abusive nonsense is ridiculous and makes a mockery of people who are actually abused.

"Entitled prick" (I know that wasn't you) seems really nasty. I say "don't be a dick" to my DH when he is being one but "prick" has an entirely different tone and completely OTT (as expected on threads like this).

notevernotnevernotnohow · 10/08/2017 04:53

is he someone (like me) who wouldn't have fun by themselves? I may be a "chump" but am nearly 60 and don't really like my own company that much

I feel sorry for you, but it isn't the responsibility of those around you to entertain you. You don't like your own company very much, but you'd expect someone else to enjoy your company when you require it, irrespective of their own needs.

notevernotnevernotnohow · 10/08/2017 05:00

I can't see how this post alone has made people think he's controlling, a bully, a pig or other choice terms.You sound rather sound of mind and this isn't abusive in the slightest

I'm not sure you've read all of OP's posts if you can't see at least a bit of what people are saying. She says he has strops when he doesn't get his own way, he's exhausting, she has to anticipate his moods. He expects her to subjugate her needs for alone time to his needs for company. He doesn't seem to care about her comfort (chairs would be embarrassing, which is more important that OP wanting to sit!) He doesn't care that she is tired and sore and doesn't want to walk ten miles a day, his need for company is more important. He's kicked off at her and got her to go anyway.

Can you not see some elements that could be described as abusive? Or at the least, a bit more than simply "his foibles" that you suggest she just accepts?

HurryUpAndWait · 10/08/2017 05:01

Why do you feel so sorry for me? Some people like time by themselves. I don't and enjoy socialising in groups. I'm an extrovert.

I didn't say I expected to be entertained. I also said that the OP was being "entirely reasonable".

Your selective reading is questionable.

notevernotnevernotnohow · 10/08/2017 05:06

I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't like their own company very much, especially after six decades. You should like yourself by that point, one would hope.

notevernotnevernotnohow · 10/08/2017 05:07

And that isn't actually what an extrovert is. Yes, you like socialising in groups, but you can't do that 24/7. You have to spend time alone sometimes.

HurryUpAndWait · 10/08/2017 05:09

Do you understand the difference between liking yourself and liking your own company?

What "isn't actually what and extrovert is"? I didn't define the word or otherwise explain it.

notevernotnevernotnohow · 10/08/2017 05:10

The two are intrinsically linked. You can't like yourself much if you can't stand being alone.

nigelsbigface · 10/08/2017 06:45

'Lose' him in the crowd, go back to the flat and have a rest...Grin
For gods sake you only wanted an afternoon off-he should stop being so precious. Festival rules are that everyone should do what makes them happy and if that's different for you and the people you have gone with you arrange to meet up later (and make sure you do), otherwise people miss stuff they want to see and no one has the best time.

Zarah123 · 10/08/2017 07:17

A man who is 'lovely' only when he gets his own way in absolutely everything, and who sulks and tantrums and tries to guilt trip you at any entirely reasonable request you make to have your needs or wishes considered is not lovely at all. He's selfish, entitled - and yes, abusive.
Unfortunately, the core idea in your H's mind is that you exist for his benefit and must be constantly reminded of your place; that he is superior to you and his wishes must always be gratified.

This I keep quoting you today Reanimated*

Also agree very much with Lela and MrsTP

ComeTheFuck0nBridget · 10/08/2017 14:57

Thank you everyone for all your replies. I can't believe the majority of you sided with me! I was expecting more of a mixture.

He came back yesterday in a bad mood as predicted, his first words were "don't do that to me again". So another argument.

I've been thinking about things a lot and I'm just miserable. I'm not sure if this is right anymore but I'm scared of the unknown and of throwing away 15 years. I'm 33 now and I worry if I'll ever meet anyone else, anyone better, and in time to have children?

I have a lot to think about. I can't wait to go home Sad

OP posts:
nigelsbigface · 10/08/2017 15:06

Don't look at it as potentially throwing away 15 years.Look at it as possibly saving yourself the next 50 odd years of being unhappy.

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