Is this accepted now? Young children and electronics on public transport.

[AnneGrommit]

The last few times I've been on a train (not in quiet coach) and quite often on the bus I've had my peace disturbed by toddlers with phones/tablets either playing noisy games on them or watching programmes. When I've asked parents to rein them in I've been invariably met with either passive aggressive remarks about not liking children (I have three myself) or outright hostility and a statement along the lines of "it keeps them quiet". No, it doesn't. It stops them from pestering you but it's far from quiet. AIBU or is this an accepted "thing" now? Because it's fucking annoying.

Oh Basket I was trying to be optimistic but on balance I suppose I have to agree with you.

You can't please all of the people all of the time

No but I find a general principle of not doing things that you know irritate and upset large numbers of people a fairly safe bet.
It's an easily avoidable irritant that you choose not to avoid. You're not trying to please any of the people except yourself, and therein lies the issue here.
There are those of us who want the best possible environment for the greatest number, and those of you who care first and foremost, and sometimes only, about themselves and their children.

Yes, obviously. Because now entitled sods making noise are "non-mainstream" and I'm discriminating against them. Shocking.

For fucks sake.

Please do tell us how people using their headphones to watch youtube are being disadvantaged and ostracised?

I had an adult woman sitting next to me on the bus having a full on skype conversation/argument with her I guess boyfriend. Why? why on earth would you have a camera conversation on a packed bus? She didn't speak english so no idea what she was saying but still annoying though

This is why my ds has children's headphones. Keeps everyone happy!

There was a middle aged woman on the bus playing crap music on her phone with no headphones.

I very passive aggressively plugged my headphones in and could still hear her shitty music.

No but I find a general principle of not doing things that you know irritate and upset large numbers of people a fairly safe bet.
It's an easily avoidable irritant that you choose not to avoid. You're not trying to please any of the people except yourself, and therein lies the issue here.

Well this is about children using electronic devices and as I have said more than once my kids are in their 40s so no I am not letting any of my children watch PeppaPig without headphones. Hope that clears that up.

Lots of things are irritating, what some of us have tried to point out is that just because some people on here are saying that a child listening to an electronic device annoys them it doesn't mean it annoys everyone, even though some people have asserted it does. It also doesn't mean the holier than thou people don't do things that annoy people, quite varied things like reading loudly to a child, talking loudly on a phone or to someone sitting next to them, sniffing, eating smelly food, eating noisily, drinking out of a bottle (why do adults do that?) or trying to claim two seats by putting their bag on a seat and ignoring people looking for a seat until someone assertive asks them to move said bag.

If you look at the thread about someone being annoyed with a mother reading loudly to a child and then read this thread where people are being told to entertain your child, read to them, what do you suggest? If you get into a crowded carriage with a child do you think you should conduct a survey with people having a choice of a. moaning child b. electronic device or c. listening to mother reading. Heaven help us all if you get a tied result.

There was a small child on their mother's phone in the doctors this morning. The volume was down to just audible and the baby was clapping away to 'If you're happy and you know it...' . I thought it was quite sweet. Mum was interacting with her child as well. I have no problem with this kind of use of devices.

As with the mother reading thread, this is all about volume and impacting on others. No one on the other thread has said it is not okay to read to your child in a coffee shop. They have said it is not okay to do it loudly and repeatedly.

How quietly do you have to read to be able to repeat the book a few times? How many verses of Old MacDonald are allowed?

yes, you would think don't be a selfish arse would be a reasonable lifepath to follow, but, from the way this thread is going, some people will never accept that they are selfish arses.

I think children should be taught to be able to sit queitly on the bus, doctor's waiting room etc without needing an electronic device to "keep them quiet".

Hilarious that people who are constantly referring to selfish fuckers and selfish arses think they have the moral high ground.

It's not about the moral high ground. I just prefer to not go through life pissing people off. I'm quite good at it. You should try it.

And we also come back again to it not being a binary issue - tech noise or loud conversation. It's not an either /or situation. Perhaps we could do without both.

And we come back again to the point that the opposite of electronic noise isn't automatically loud conversation or wailing children.

I understand that you're saying that for some with additional needs, electronic noises help them deal with these other noises. I get that crying children and loud chat are irritating to many. But adding electronic noise to the mix is surely not a solution, especially that, as this thread has shown, so many people find it so annoying. I'll admit I don't know what the solution is - but I don't accept that it's this. And that still doesn't address all the people who are simply thoughtless or inconsiderate.

What's hilarious is that a few posters here (my self included are clearly screen addicts but they exoctnoetfect behaviour (and no screen) from children.

Nobody expects no screens. They expect no volume or headphones.

It's not difficult to understand.

The vast majority of NT children don't automatically scream, cry, shout, throw darts or whatever if they are not constantly watching a screen with the volume up.

And nobody is claiming any moral highground or perfect parenting or any such rubbish. They are just expressing their opinion that, in almost all situations, it is considerate to keep the volume on devices turned off or to use headphones in public places. That is so clearly true that I can't believe anyone is arguing with it.

Many of the people I know who have additional needs (and there are a considerable number) really would struggle with the loud volume of conversation or electronic noise. It's not an either or situation. It's a have some consideration for others situation.