We're not on a 17 day vacation, not us. We have meetings and calls! Now where did that golf ball go?...Trump cont.

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🌷Official RABID LEFTIE* badge hereby issued to CAVEMUM for her relentless Twitter fight for the cause.

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As I've stated in the past I find it very amusing to be called a Leftie - I've never voted Labour in my life for a start!

If it helps, I actually am a leftie and I've been called a globalist elitist snob on multiple occasions for not 'standing with the people'. FWIW, I can't stand left-wing populism either. The world is a complex place and we're all faced with complex issues. Deal with it!

I once got replied to by Katie Hopkins...I got called all sorts of names.

Good old Hatie Kopkins pronouncing surprise at the nazi attack yesterday. Because surely spouting hatefilled rhetoric doesn't actually have consequences beyond upsetting the liberals.

Jeff sessions has also issued a statement as AG

@charlie_savage
DOJ announces civil-rights investigation into Charlottesville car attack; Attorney General Jeff Sessions puts out new statement

That seems like an OK statement from Sessions, or am I overlooking equivocation that I should have clocked?

badbadhusky - I think people are critical because Sessions didn't outright condemn White Supremacists, or alt-right, or the KKK as a group?

*sorry, I should have said by name, not as a group.

Bigly: Back then I thought/hoped we were being tin foil hatters, sadly and scarily it seems we have been more accurate than we thought.

I didn't think we were tinfoil hatters even back then. Let's face it, Trump's appointment of Bannon was pretty much a straight, in your face, "Yeah, I'm in bed with the white supremacist alt right, and I like it here, live with it." His subsequent appointment of Sessions was the same message, this time in six foot high neon letters.

I'm horrified and shocked by events in Charlottesville (I've got that speech from MacBeth about "Cry the beloved country" on repeat in my head because I have many American friends who are suffering), and I'm gobsmacked and appalled by Trump's "on all sides" shite fest, but I'm not surprised. He's told us, repeatedly, what he believes. We can't act surprised when he continues to reiterate those beliefs.

Interesting Washington Post opinion piece here (paywall, I'm afraid - excerpts below):
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-babbles-in-the-face-of-tragedy/2017/08/12/a27211ba-7fbb-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?nid&utm_term=.b095d27bfd88

One of the difficult but primary duties of the modern presidency is to speak for the nation in times of tragedy.
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The president could not bring himself initially to directly acknowledge the victims or distinguish between the instigators and the dead. He could not focus on the provocations of the side marching under a Nazi flag. Is this because he did not want to repudiate some of his strongest supporters? This would indicate that Trump views loyalty to himself as mitigation for nearly any crime or prejudice. Or is the president truly convinced of the moral equivalence of the sides in Charlottesville? This is to diagnose an ethical sickness for which there is no cure.
[...]
There is no denying that Trump has used dehumanization — refugees are “animals,” Mexican migrants are “rapists,” Muslims are threats — as a political tool.
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Trump has been delivering the poison of prejudice in small but increasing doses. In Charlottesville, the effect became fully evident. And the president had no intention of decisively repudiating his work.

Please continue persisting.

Victim of C'ville attack ID’d as Heather Heyer. Last FB post: “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.”
twitter.com/nycjim/status/896669228811595777

I wonder what our political leaders in the UK are making of events in the USA?

I hope they are reflecting on them.

Good old Hatie Kopkins pronouncing surprise at the nazi attack yesterday

Some prominent commentators are surprisingly quiet about this attack this morning compared to their usual bile when other terrorist attacks happen.

Orlantina, I hope so, too ... but I have a sneaky suspicion that it'll only be the ones aware of the problem in the first place.

I'm an expat in Switzerland and got into an almighty row with a co-worker over this type of thing recently (before CV), because I argued that the Swiss had basically prototyped this hard-right populist movement and made it a global export. They've had it since the 90s. My co-worker, who votes for the party I was accusing of being involved bringing about this new right movement, got really huffy and basically told me I was an imperialist exploiter and a foreign interference for even daring to have an opinion on the subject while not Swiss. He hates Trump and can't see any connection - not even a general, ideological affinity (which is clearly and demonstrably a thing).

What I guess I'm trying to say is that people who tend towards such views are not necessarily willing to make these connections - and, given how this movement works - will not be particularly amenable to having the parallels pointed out by someone not part of their groupthink.

Our family is ever so polite, so we are not called rabid lefties, but do-gooders.

Hi Lion

Hope you all don't mind me popping in again. I know this isn't really what's being discussed right now, but where is Theresa May? Or JC, or anyone? Nothing about NK, nothing about Charlottesville, just radio silence. I hope they are reflecting, Orlantina.

My family are all absolute rabid lefties. My uncle stood as a labour councillor in an overwhelmingly conservative area, just to wind up his neighbours. Bunch of troublemakers the lot of us

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/aodhán-ó-r%C3%ADordáin-america-has-just-elected-a-fascist-1.2873621?mode=amp

Someone posted this on one of the first Trump threads. It's worth watching again. I'm really struggling to find anything humorous about this anymore
Across I hope you're ok

Been reading about Charlottesville and seen a lot of right wingers blaming the counter protesters for being run-down - fucking hell

Corbyn has tweeted. Haven't heard anything from May. Perhaps she is lost on a hill somewhere while on her walking holiday..

To everyone who voted for him: fuck you. Seriously fuck you and all your bullshit excuses like "but she's a liar!" You're all so stupid.

I would also add to that, a massive fuck you to the Democrats who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, because she "would be just as bad." Still thinking that are you?

I see getting called a 'libtard' or 'leftard' (or some other left-wing insult) as a victory, as usually it's what they throw at you, when they have nothing they can respond to your argument with.

JC did comment, he advised them to calm down. TM hasn't commented. TM will be back from holiday at some point. I doubt Kim & Don will listen to JC or TM.

And this from JC on NK

Jeremy Corbyn urges Tory Government to stay out of any military action in North Korea
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-urges-tory-government-10977165

Thanks Bigly.

I'm so fed up with politicians right now. Either they're aggressive maniacs who sound like Bill and Ted, or they're passive hand-holding "running through wheat is the worst thing I've ever done" cowards. Glad to see that senior members of the GOP are criticising Trump's response, though I doubt it'll get anywhere with him.

I doubt it as well NY but it would make me feel slightly better to know they tried. At least JC has said something.