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AIBU Or is DS?

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strumthehairyharp · 01/08/2017 19:44

DS is 17 in September and thoughts are turning to driving lessons, car etc. DS knows we are looking at around 2k for car insurance, plus lessons, driving licence, test costs etc.

He refuses to think about getting a PT job over the holidays or anything after the holidays as he feels he doesn't want to get a job 'at his age' and that when he goes back to school in September he'll be too busy doing his a levels (maths, chem, biology) to be able to work.

His life consists of staying up until 2/3am on the Xbox then sleeping in until lunchtime every day. He will sit around and wait for his food to be brought to him (or he just snacks from the fridge) and he needs to be told to shower / clean teeth etc.

He let slip today that his friend has got a job in McDonald's so I suggested that with the big expense of getting him on the road looming it might be a good idea to try and get a job there too. Nope, I don't want to do that he said, don't fancy working in McDonald's. Anyway, he said. You are the parent, it's your responsibility to keep me until I'm an adult (and further if he's in university etc) and then I'll get a proper job.

His attitude sickens me to be honest. There's no drive in him at all, he appears to have done well in his GCSEs but he's naturally bright so he didn't exactly work his socks off before them.

He's appalled to think I'm expecting him to WORK over his holidays, holidays are just that apparently, a break from working. Never mind he's just returned from a 3 week Florida holiday.

At the moment he doesn't ask for money as he has no social life at all. Fine but I do think it wouldn't hurt him to try and earn a bit towards getting on the road. Perhaps I'm BU? Do all parents just pay for everything?

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brasty · 01/08/2017 20:29

But its fine if he doesn't get a job, he won't starve. If he is motivated enough to have a car, he will get one.If not, then tough. Natural consequences.

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Wilburissomepig · 01/08/2017 20:29

Nope, I'd be telling him to get his arse into gear and at least try to get some employment,

Even my 13 year old has a paper round because he wants to save up for a new phone.

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justatoe1 · 01/08/2017 20:31

I would make it my mission: apply for jobs on his behalf, no clothes other than pants & socks, no phone. I refused paying for driving lessons (my agreement was to pay first 10, so DD17 needed to self fund after that & would be wasted if could only do 10 & stop). Absolutely no money towards any activity.
If you're working then a very large share of household chores: a daily list.
DD has learnt so much from working & really understands the value of money now. Don't let him get away with it!

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LovingLola · 01/08/2017 20:31

he needs to be told to shower / clean teeth etc.

Are you exaggerating???

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Ollivander84 · 01/08/2017 20:33

I got a car, lessons and insurance
But I worked from 13. And all the way through GCSEs, school, college and university

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NewRug · 01/08/2017 20:34

Cut him off, and price up everything he does and let him realise how much things actually cost.

My parents did this to me (admittedly they where a bit strict and I had a Saturday job from the age of 13 in their cafe and then my mum got me a job, 26 hours a week, in a supermarket. Whist at college, It wasn't optional...) I did kick off a bit if I am honest.

But if you can keep this a secret from my parents, it's probably the best thing they did for me! I probably put them through hell a little bit at the time, but I am now quite a successful adult, well I think anyway...

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Headofthehive55 · 01/08/2017 20:35

Announce you don't have enough money fir driving lessons.
Don't give into him. They learn.
He will start to realise when his friends start turning 17 and start learning.
You don't miss what you have never had.

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Milkmachine15 · 01/08/2017 20:36

Pretty sure on another thread where aDM said she wasn't going to pay for her daughters holiday clothes because she wasn't bothered about getting a job everyone told her that she should be paying for it!! I don't think you're being unreasonable at all and was shocked when I read the other thread!

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eyebrowsonfleek · 01/08/2017 20:37

If he hasn't got a job to go to or a social life, does he need a car?

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strumthehairyharp · 01/08/2017 20:37

Thanks all, I do think it's our fault his attitude is like this. DH and I have always had flexible work so always one of us home. Therefore there's never been any need for the DCs to help us around the house at all. I have a DD younger at 14. She has a social life so we are always skipping her a few quid for clothes or to go out with friends. DS, because he rarely leaves the house literally doesn't spend a bean unless it's an Xbox game and he tends to buy these from birthday and xmas money he builds up. He knows we give DD money so his argument is that it's unfair that we give her money but won't give him money for driving etc.
He can't see that we don't mind giving them the odd £20 here and there but I'm talking £1000's to get a car on the road!

Maybe the both of them need a clear chore rota from now on for a monthly payment. Everything a luxury wil need to come out of that. At the moment they have unlimited wifi on the top, fastest package as DS was going nuts as his Xbox was lagging and unlimited iPhone packages. All this has to stop. I know I'm overcompensating for the crappy childhood I had, I just know it ☹️

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Serialweightwatcher · 01/08/2017 20:38

My ds is 17 and is an apprentice so doesn't earn much and has been asking for bits here and there from us too, but we don't have much either so I paid for his first 8 lessons for his birthday and he has paid ever since - I've told him we can't afford a car or insurance - we are insuring a moped for him at the mo and he is going to try to save. He's been saving for the past few weeks for his test and having to realise that we can't keep funding him because he has a very active expensive social life ... everything is expensive for kids nowadays but your ds needs to get off his bottom and get a job for the hols at least and maybe he'll realise it doesn't come easy

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ofudginghell · 01/08/2017 20:39

£1000 in savings won't go far in the learning to drive,paying for theory,paying for test plus instructor on the day AND funding a car and insurance and tax and mots and tyres !!!!

Tell him your meeting his basic needs in food water electric internet and a roof over his head and that's ALL the needs you will be meeting unless he gets off his ass and works.
End of conversation.

Once his friends are earning and wanting to go out and to the cinema and out for food etc etc in the summer and he comes to you for a hand out and you say no hel soon realise what an idiot he's being Hmm

I would be restricting internet access and only buying basics in food with an attitude like that.
I'm speaking from experience whereby my ds was told at 15 that he either gets a part time job to fund any extras he wants and when he starts at college he also needs a weekend job to pay towards driving and a car etc he wouldn't get any help from me.
He's 19 now and passed his test in April.
His car was purchased from inheritance but his tax insurance and petrol is covered solely by him and he works damn hard to keep his car on the road.
Put your foot down now op and it will pay off.
If not you will be back here in two years with the same problem

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Cakeorchocolate · 01/08/2017 20:43

I agree with everyone else. It is possible to work and study. I worked from 14 because I wanted to. I didn't like having to ask my parents for money to go to the cinema or buy something from the shop etc. We never had 'pocket money'. Does your DS? Or does he have to ask for money to buy any treats? E.g. chocolate bar.

I paid for my own driving licence but my parents bought a car and paid for me to be on their insurance (as you could back then, not so easy now though I believe.) With the plan always for me to pay them back when I could afford. I paid them back as agreed a few years later.

Your DS may struggle to get his "proper job" as he'll have to walk or cycle as he'll be unable to drive, have no vehicle and no money for public transport. Wish him good luck from me!

His £1000 saving may cover his lessons but unlikely to fund a car and certainly not insurance from it!

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Guepe · 01/08/2017 20:43

I agree that a term-time job is undesirable and will likely have a negative impact on his grades. However, he is not automatically entitled to driving lessons, a car and insurance.

I'd be tempted to pay for lessons only and tell him that, if he wants a car, he needs to get a summer job and contribute his earnings towards the costs of a car and insurance, with you making up the shortfall (if you can afford it).

If you can't afford it, then it's entirely up to him to fund, even if that means a term-time job.

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Cakeorchocolate · 01/08/2017 20:44

*paid for own driving lessons, test etc and licence.

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StarryCorpulentCunt · 01/08/2017 20:46

He is right, it is your responsibility to keep him until he is 18. However keeping him just means a roof over his head, feeding him and clothing him. You can clothe him from primark and offer him 2 meals a day and somewhere warm to sleep at night. Beyond that you have no obligation to pay for anything. Generally I tend to think that if parents can help their kids learn to drive then they should as it is a valuable skill. In this case I think he could do with a short sharp shock and a lesson on the value of money. So I wouldn't be giving him a penny. If he wants to learn to drive he better get job hunting because it won't fund itself.

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Booboobooboo84 · 01/08/2017 20:46

I get what you mean OP but your doing him no favours by giving him everything for nothing.

Just because you can afford it doesn't mean it's in his best interest to just hand it over. A simple chore chart to earn the money is fine. Work is work even if it's not out the house. With his lack of drive/maturity about work he will struggle to get a job but as long as you see him actively applying that's fine. Attending interviews and applying for jobs is a life skill.

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40andFat · 01/08/2017 20:46

Jesus this is going to be me in 1 years time and seriously I do have to nag my son about personal hygiene. He actually said to me the other day I didn't remind him to put any perspirant on!!!!. In contrast my son is not bright and won't get any GCSE,s either. A job is going to be a nightmare he hated work experience.
I think you suck it up regarding the car lessons and insurance if you can afford it as later down the line when he isn't a teenage dick anymore these will have set him up for life. I would just start introducing some boundaries regarding his iPhone and wifi. So for example I will pay this until the next contract is due then its yours either you pay for it or you lose it. He will probably just come into his own when he's ready but if he no life lessons it might be a real shock one day when you turn off the tap try the slowly slowly approach Smile

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sadeyedladyofthelowlands63 · 01/08/2017 20:49

I had a paper round at 14, and a Saturday job when I was in the sixth form. While I was at university I worked every Easter and summer holiday, and gave my parents £10 a week for my keep. I didn't feel hard done by, I thought it was fair, especially as I had three younger siblings and my parents weren't particularly well-off. When I got my first job after graduating, my parents gave me all that money back to help with the deposit on my first flat and buying work clothes, which I was very grateful for, but certainly not expecting.

Moving forward a good few years, almost all of the sixth formers I teach have part-time jobs.

I think your son needs to learn that no job = no car (or at least that no job-hunting means no car - I know that part-time jobs can be hard to come by in some areas).

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Whatsername17 · 01/08/2017 20:49

Take the x box controllers. Hide them in the attic. He can have them back when he has secured himself a job. One of my colleagues struggled with her son - a very bright kid who seemed to think life would just work out for him with no effort put in. She would regularly bring his x box controllers into work when he was on study leave to encourage him to revise. One day, she didn't get a ranty phone call and discovered his friends had bought controllers to her house. The next day she came into work with the x box. Grin

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AreWeThereYet000 · 01/08/2017 20:50

I got a block of 10 lessons for my birthday present and apart from a few token presents I was told I would be getting my theory/practical tests paid for as a Christmas present... lessons in between and re tests and then the car/tax/insurance all covered by through through a job

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strumthehairyharp · 01/08/2017 20:52

I passed him room at 11.30 this morning where he'd just jumped out of bed. He was putting his clothes on. 'You need to shower' I said as we had flown home from the US Sunday into Monday and he'd not showered since we were in the hotel on Saturday. He looked outraged 'I've brushed my teeth' he said!

I was then told I was being ridiculous and nasty to bring up the fact he needed to shower and that I have to tell him. This is a regular occurrence.

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GasLightShining · 01/08/2017 20:54

Obligation is is to house, feed and clothe (not designer!). We paid for travel to college and a mobile as well.

At 17 we paid half towards lessons, paid for a cheap car, tax and insurance. They had to get jobs to pay for other half of lessons and petrol once they past their tests. DS is at uni and I still pay the insurance and tax.

Nothing wrong with MacDonalds. Here the huge majority of staff are students. The advantage of somewhere like this is it is possible to transfer when going to uni.

And yes they started with paper rounds at 14.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 01/08/2017 20:54

Not so very long ago "at his age" he would have had a (bloody hard) job for about 3 years, and his wages would have gone into the family funds, not his own pocket!

Okay - you have to keep him until he's an adult, but you are under no obligation even to fund him through university (though obviously you will).

It sounds as though just the discipline of getting out to work, and interacting with people, would do him the world of good.

Pint out you only have to feed, house and clothe him - and even then to a minimum standard. That's your onlylegal obligation (bread and cheese, warm shed, some used sacking fashioned into primitive garments Grin ) - and that your biggest responsibility as a parent into teach him to take responsibility for himself.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 01/08/2017 20:55

Cross-post Gaslight

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