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Is this just real life? Is this just fantasy? ScaraMooch, keep your hands away from me. Trump continued

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orlantina · 30/07/2017 17:18

Because the last thread filled up REALLY quickly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2986638-Seans-gone-Its-sad-Great-guy-Going-to-miss-him-Trump-continued?

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Gumpendorf · 05/08/2017 17:00

Alexandria is in Eastern Virginia, isn't it?

Alexandria is just across the Potomac from Washington DC and is in Virginia.

I only just learned that and that West Virginia is a separate state Smile

This is a Grand Jury so it's just looking at whether there is enough evidence to bring a criminal case. The burden of proof is much lower, there is no judge, no case for the defence and evidence rules are relaxed. The saying is that most GJ's will indict a ham sandwichGrin.

I don't know if this has been posted before : criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/how-does-a-grand-jury-work.html

So it may be easier for Mueller to get indictments but what happens then? I assume if/when indicted the trial takes place in the same vicinity? Or as it's a Federal trial can the venue be changed if a case is put to ??the Judge.

Does the US have the sub judice rule - where reporting must stick to the facts and conjecture/discussion is deemed contempt of court after someone is charged?

lionheart · 05/08/2017 17:03

We are going to learn a lot about the American legal system. Smile

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 17:20

That we are. Smile (I don't know GJ rules, I fear, Gump.)

For me, it's the power to require evidence which is most fascinating.

lionheart · 05/08/2017 17:29

I like the sound of this.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/05/robert-mueller-donald-trump-russia

AcrossthePond55 · 05/08/2017 17:39

This is a Grand Jury so it's just looking at whether there is enough evidence to bring a criminal case. The burden of proof is much lower, there is no judge, no case for the defence and evidence rules are relaxed.

This is it in a nutshell. All a GJ does is review the evidence and hear witnesses and then decide if there is enough to bring a case to trial. I think in this case what may be the point is that anyone can be subpoenaed and questioned without their attorney present. Questioning can be very broad, much broader than in a criminal trial where someone's attorney would probably object to the line of questioning. A witness can still plead the 5th and can ask for immunity in exchange for testimony. GJs are sometimes used to question someone about their own activities who has refused questioning elsewhere in hopes of getting them to 'spill' about a third party (the actual real subject of the investigation) in exchange for immunity. So it will be interesting to see exactly who gets subpoenaed to testify before the GJ.

I'm sure the judge screening the applicants will be very careful to balance the jury as best he/she can to make it as impartial as possible.

The wiki is pretty good at explaining this. And there is a specific section on Federal Grand Juries.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States

I don't remember the show, but someone said that if Scrotus gets subpoenaed his attorneys need to give him the 5th amendment written on a 3 x 5 index card and tell him that all he is to do is read it out loud after every question and say nothing else. I say that's a physical impossibility for him.

AcrossthePond55 · 05/08/2017 17:40

correction A GJ can also request and subpoena evidence.

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 17:46

I suspect it's this O'Donnell piece that you were thinking of, Across. (And even if not...........Wink)

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 17:54

My apologies. There's another O'Donnell piece where he discusses with various people, the possibility of being sent into the GJ room with a card with the wording on it. Alone. I'll link to that if I can find it.

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 17:59

Ah. I think I linked to it upthread. 13.52 if I recall? Smile

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 18:24

I noticed this Beast piece on scrolling down, Roussette.

The moment the GOP turned

TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/08/2017 18:33

Noooooooooo! SadAngry

The Mooch's replacement could be Stephen Miller
www.axios.com/who-will-be-trumps-communications-director-after-mooch-stephen-miller-2469535517.html

AcrossthePond55 · 05/08/2017 18:35

The clip at 13.52 is the one cozie. It's at 10.27 minutes in.

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 18:42

Glad you found the right one. Smile

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 18:45

I still don't think he'll appoint for a month or two, NorthWest. We'll have to see.

(Doesn't prevent promises being made of course.)

Roussette · 05/08/2017 19:07

An interesting read cozie.

As an aside, there's some seriously lovely tweet threads about Obama's birthday around with some lovely pics of him.... just being him.

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 20:03

I think it was his very strong hints about Sessions that did it. They weakened him. (They probably weakened Sessions as well but that's another matter.)

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 20:36

Sorry. And the recent polls and Mueller news have helped of course.

badbadhusky · 05/08/2017 20:51

From the Beast article posted upthread about whether Trump sucks at golf:

Watching Donald Trump attempt to govern feels a little like watching a badger try to cater a wedding. But as stressful as it’s been for the wedding guests, imagine how overwhelming it must feel for the badger.

badbadhusky · 05/08/2017 20:52

Same article on Trump's presidency: "six-plus months of vigorous nothing" Grin

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 21:22

I'm afraid I'm with Mark Twain - or whoever - when it comes to golf so I have no sympathy for anyone who is obsessed with it. Grin

cozietoesie · 05/08/2017 21:47

It seems to be a broken record - the 'Lock her up' chants. A Newsweek piece.

West Virginia rally

lionheart · 05/08/2017 22:07

Logic vacuum here.

lionheart · 05/08/2017 22:14

more puzzle pieces

lionheart · 05/08/2017 22:18

Have to appreciate the headline alone here.

why is donald trump so horribly witless about the world