Is this just real life? Is this just fantasy? ScaraMooch, keep your hands away from me. Trump continued

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Because the last thread filled up REALLY quickly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2986638-Seans-gone-Its-sad-Great-guy-Going-to-miss-him-Trump-continued?

I did not know that about McMaster (or that he is viewed like that).

Fox News take on the Lazy Boy cover.
I tried to listen... until Cavuto got to saying that "We always praised Obama lots because we are balanced" and problem is that "This terrible cover from the mainstream media might influence susceptible innocent people"

I wonder what it takes to become Mainstream if FoxNews ain't it.

washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/04/new-report-reveals-mcconnell-ryan-took-millions-russian-oligarch-tied-putin/

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Mueller Seeks White House Documents on Flynn

Why would the Mooch be so pro-Trump and setup his own pro Trump news channel, when (like him or loathe him) he was treated appallingly and dumped?

So Trump is off on a 17 day holiday. This is after tweeting continually about Obama who took far less time off than him. I love how Trump's tweets come back to bite him on his enormous arse.

I'd be pissed off if I lived in Bedminster, NJ. The airport is closed until 20 Aug as are roads all around the place. I wonder if Trump will ease up on the tweeting . Doubtful...

It's a good un

www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-goes-big-with-his-most-disastrous-week-yet

The Mooch was anti-Trump once, and he's riding the wave now. He's an opportunist, although it seems his bets aren't paying as he'd like.

That's a very satisfying read Pain !

I want Trump to squirm. I saw that tweet yesterday from Dmitry and I was

WOULD YOU EVEN CARE IF HE WAS GUILTY?

Asks Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/04/would-even-care-if-was-guilty.html

They are focusing on the collusion and redefining it as an ethical issue rather than a treasonous criminal offence. It will be much harder to argue that money laundering and even people trafficking are acceptable, even in this President. Maybe...

I have some issues with this premiss:
"The stock market is up, unemployment is down and the economy seems to be picking up some steam. The streets are mostly safe, the nation is mostly secure and the world is mostly at peace."

But, yes, similar could have been asked of Bill Clinton. If he was otherwise a good President, does it matter if he was a sexual predator?

However, the US risks being under the direct influence of a foreign power that has been an adversary at best.
The US risks the President putting his personal wealth ahead of state interests.
The US risks nuclear war because the President can't do diplomacy and can't keep his mouth shut.

All of them quite relevant to the country, regardless of the stock market.

And most of the economic indicators are Obama legacies.

It's a spurious argument - although one they did use for Bill Clinton as I said earlier in the thread. The Republican witchhunt against the Clintons using Starr was seen as just that by the Dems and most of the western world at the time. Trump is hooking into that.

Trump's offences are much more serious and he is widely seen as a more dangerous President. But... there are many forces at play and I'm no longer convinced that what should happen will happen.

Fox are starting the campaign for the defence of the 'legitimate President'.

Back in the real world on the BBC Brian Klaas reminds us of the facts.

twitter.com/brianklaas/status/893443398153232386/video/1

Mr O'Donnell hosts a piece on a Grand Jury.

Stephen Colbert touches on a point that occurred to me. How the blithering Heck do you find neutral Grand Jurors?

Thinking about it - if true, I wonder who the prosecutor is? It doesn't need to be Mr Mueller, I think.

Alan Dershowitz (of OJ Simpson 'fame') on panel bias.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/04/dershowitz-mueller-has-stacked-the-deck-against-trump/

I think Mueller has gathered a team of top prosecutors, cozie.

Alexandria is in Eastern Virginia, isn't it?

Just getting my locations in order.

I think you just have to find people who understand the need to follow the law and to set aside their own prejudices/preconceptions.

I think those people do exist--I can think of a past case where a juror was interviewed after a particularly contentious trial (US) and said that although they thought the person guilty, the evidence did not allow for that conclusion. It obviously pained them.

Not easy, but it happens with other high profile criminal cases too.

That's true. One of my Jury stints involved a man who we all (the jury) clearly thought was absolutely guilty of the alleged crime - and the rest as well. The prosecution had not made their case though. He was declared Not Guilty.

A sensible judge would also give very precise instructions to help a jury find its way, I guess.

I don't know what happens with regard to a Grand Jury and who is given this kind of oversight.

I think Mueller has gathered a team of top prosecutors, cozie.

I imagine that this is a move designed to allow the investigation to continue even if he was sacked.
It doesn't look like he will now (not soon), but a couple of weeks ago it was a distinct possibility.

Remember your polls. A Newsweek piece.

Trump support

Oh - and another piece.

Flawed data

Although, strictly speaking, that's a Newsweek 'borrow'.