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Is this just real life? Is this just fantasy? ScaraMooch, keep your hands away from me. Trump continued

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orlantina · 30/07/2017 17:18

Because the last thread filled up REALLY quickly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2986638-Seans-gone-Its-sad-Great-guy-Going-to-miss-him-Trump-continued?

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BossyBitch · 03/08/2017 21:32

Grand Jury? If true, this should get even more interesting soon-ish: edition.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/mueller-grand-jury/index.html

cozietoesie · 03/08/2017 21:37

Well. We'll see. They seem to be just working away. Smile

lionheart · 03/08/2017 21:50

Someone jumping in the wrong direction.

thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/345216-west-virginias-democratic-governor-will-flip-to-republican-party

cozietoesie · 03/08/2017 21:56

Ah. That would be Justice the billionaire Coal Baron?

lionheart · 03/08/2017 22:02

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(THREAD) BREAKING: Special Counsel and Former FBI Director Bob Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in the Russia probe. Here's what it means.
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(1) First, here's the Breaking News from CNBC on the announcement of a new grand jury in the Russia investigation:

(2) I say "new," not "first." Mueller took over a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia that is looking at Mike Flynn's activities.

(3) So we can now accurately say there are multiple federal grand juries investigating possible crimes by President Trump and his aides.

(4) A grand jury is comprised of average citizens who are specially selected to serve on this deliberative body for a set period of time.

(5) An investigative grand jury might be active for many months, whereas a (state-level) conventional grand jury usually sits for a month.

(6) At the state level, a grand jury spends all day every day, for a month, listening to prosecutors present cases for immediate indictment.

(7) At the state level, criminal investigation is usually nearly completed by the time a grand jury hears a case, so indictments come fast.

(8) An indictment is a document basically saying a grand jury has determined there's sufficient evidence to charge a person with a felony.

(9) Indictments aren't proof of anything. They just mean a bare-minimum threshold of evidence has been reached, so a charge can be brought.

(10) At the federal level, as I've long noted here, criminal investigations take much longer, so grand jury duties are a bit different.

(11) A federal grand jury is more commonly an investigate body whose existence helps prosecutors get documents and witnesses for their case.

(12) Federal grand juries issue indictments too. But the small number of fed cases and their length/complexity means it's not a daily event.

(13) The impaneling of a grand jury in the Russia probe was inevitable given that (as I/others have said) it's clear crimes were committed.

(14) Mueller only would've forsworn a grand jury if he'd taken over the case and immediately found no even potential evidence of a crime.

(15) If anything, Mueller taking this long to impanel a grand jury means that he's being incredibly deliberative about this investigation.

(16) If 12 of 16-23 fed grand jurors listen to the evidence and think charges should be brought, an indictment ("true bill") is returned.

(17) It's very easy to get an indictment, as only the prosecutor is in the room (no defense) and grand jurors can ask their own questions.

(18) Grand jury proceedings are secret, but basically it's an opportunity for a federal prosecutor to ask for and get anything s/he wants.

(19) So a prosecutor can use grand jury proceedings to subpoena documents that aren't being given voluntarily or force witnesses to testify.

(20) It's possible Mueller was trying to get docs/testimony voluntarily before impaneling a GJ and reached the limit of what he could get.

cozietoesie · 03/08/2017 22:05

If true, I'd go with 20.

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:06

I'm still goggling over Trump being on a 17 day golf vacation now. Unreal.

cozietoesie · 03/08/2017 22:08

He's 71. He needs the (relative) down time.

lionheart · 03/08/2017 22:09

He cheats at golf too, apparently. Smile

7Days · 03/08/2017 22:14

Well, lionhart, that is just the giddy limit!

Sorry, I can't get my head around everything that is happening. But cheating in a game, I can understand and confidently condemn.

(Possibly the entire populism problem in a nutshell)

lionheart · 03/08/2017 22:27

(20) sounds good to me, cozie.

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:31

I have to agree that (20) sounds likely.

Yes, there are loads of people on twitter also saying "oooooh he's gonna lock up HRC!" Please people, use some common sense. Hmm

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:32

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Trump's lawyer tells @CNN they'll object if the #Russiaprobe goes beyond mandate specified in Special Counsel Mueller's appointment. But..1/

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:35

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BREAKING: CNN confirms @Reuters/@WSJ reporting that subpoenas have been issued for docs and testimony related to Trump Jr. meeting

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:36

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Trump's lawyer tells @CNN they'll object if the #Russiaprobe goes beyond mandate specified in Special Counsel Mueller's appointment. But..1/

..the mandate gives Mueller the authority to investigate any matters arising from the #Russiaprobe.Caroline O. added,
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GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:37

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BossyBitch · 03/08/2017 22:37

Testimony ... interesting! I wonder from whom.

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:38

I imagine anyone that was at the meeting. Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort certainly, right?

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:39

Anyone else think he'll probably be ranting and very much off script at his rally tonight in WV?

lionheart · 03/08/2017 22:39

Robert S Mueller III Smile has this remit.

www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:40

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NEW: Secret Service vacates Trump Tower command post, after dispute w/@realdonaldtrump's company over a lease. wapo.st/2hsiivX?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.9688147b1189

GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:41

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GingerIvy · 03/08/2017 22:41

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Bombshell: Israel Police confirm Benjamin Netanyahu suspected of bribery, fraud, breach of trust in 2 separate cases www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.805112

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