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To think I'm just being an equal partner?

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shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 16:21

Settle an argument between me and my friend!

He thinks I’m doing too much at home, that my wife expects too much of me, and is worried I’ll burn out – I just think I’m doing my best to support my wife while we both do equally demanding jobs.

I work full-time, my wife is a SAHP to our 18mo DS, mostly through circumstance (she lost her job, our childminder quit) but she was happy for the chance to spend more time with our DS and knows she can go back to work any time. I was a SAHP for a few months when DS was a baby but am now back at work and we’re just about surviving on my salary.

Being a SAHP is completely draining, and my partner – while loving the time with our son – is understandably exhausted most days, and often reduced to tears by the unrelenting nature of full-time childcare. I’m out of the house from 7.30-6.30 but around that I:

  • do bedtime every night
  • do all night wakes
  • do all early starts until I need to get ready for work and my wife takes over
  • do the majority of childcare every weekend so she can have a break (we try to have at least a few hours’ family time together though)
  • do the big weekly shop
  • change the beds every fortnight week
  • do what housework I can when I’m home, including a big clean at weekends, plus cook the following day’s dinner the night before when possible

My wife goes out at least a couple of times per month with friends and I keep encouraging her to plan more things in the evenings so she can get a bit more adult company and not feel like all she does is childcare! I probably go out either with work or socially one evening every 4-6 weeks, but am always home to put DS to bed and am aware that it’s a long day for my partner otherwise. I’ve been taking my annual leave as the odd day here and there so me and DS go out somewhere and she gets a whole day off, which she appreciates although these days are obviously few and far between. One weekend I took DS away overnight so she had the whole weekend to herself.

Most of my dad friends say their stay at home partners did or do all the night wakes so they would be better prepared for their work day. One friend in particular is worried that I’m often tired and thinks it’s unfair that I do so much when my wife ‘doesn’t work’. But the way I see it, my wife’s work day is from 7.30 until 6.30 with no breaks (except the hour or two when DS sleeps), whereas I get an hour commute each way, only work from 9-5.30 and usually get a lunch break! Yes, I’m tired, but I’m still able to function at work and I know my wife is doing the harder job so I’d rather she was as rested as possible – I know she often feels very frustrated at home, or doing the same things day in day out, and obviously an 18 month old isn’t always the easiest company.

My wife has dinner on the table when I get home every day, whether she’s had to cook it or is just heating something I’ve cooked the night before. She does lots of laundry and keeps the house as clean as she can with a toddler around. When I’m home, I see it as my responsibility to do everything else she’s not had time to do, and to give her a break! Admittedly I don’t feel like I get much of a break myself but I want to support my wife, love spending time with my DS and miss the days when I saw him all day every day, so think it’s worth the sacrifice. Surely this is just what it’s like when you have children? But from what I hear, the majority of working men seem to expect their stay at home partners to do the lion’s share of house-related tasks as well (not to mention all the childcare, even after doing that for 5 days a week)? I can’t compare anecdotally with working women with stay at home partners as I don’t know any socially or at work.

So who is BU? Me for thinking this is normal and should be expected, or my friend for thinking this isn’t normal or the sign of a healthy partnership?

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redphonebox · 27/07/2017 12:00

Interesting, OP. I have to say, the situation does seem a bit less unusual to me now I know you're the mother and not the father. I think we do have different expectations of working mothers.

I haven't gone back and tallied up the responses, but the impression I had was that more people thought you were doing too much or that your partner was getting 'a good deal'. I could be wrong though.

But certainly nobody thought you weren't doing enough!!!

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 12:05

redphone I agree, most people did seem to think my partner was getting a good deal (and were wondering what (s)he did all day!) but I think the responses would have been much more heavily weighted in that direction if I'd been straight up with it. I may be wrong though. I think it's given me the objectivity I needed though - I can see now I'm probably doing a wee bit too much in terms of taking on all wakes and early starts. The rest of it we do share between us, I guess it depends on the week really as to who's doing more than the other (many evenings I'll get home and everything's been done - some I'll chip in more to help out).

Spudlet I'm definitely the morning person more than DH so am usually happy to be the early riser but he has also said to me in the last couple of days that sometimes I should just bang on the wall to wake him so he can take over and I can go back to bed for a bit, if I need it. Most days I'd say I don't need it, but we all have a breaking point! Mine is when DS has me up at 4... Grin

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shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 12:06

Also more often than not, DS is up early but wanting to constantly feed, so on those occasions it makes sense for me to be up and we can have some quiet (if early) time together. When he wants playtime though I should probably hand over!

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lucysnowe · 27/07/2017 12:16

This is interesting OP because as soon as I read your last post I did thing 'ah that explains it, that's fine then'. Which is weird because mt reaction should be the same if the sexes were reversed! It's uncovered quite a lot of unperceived sexism in my brain it appears. I was also thinking 'wow, it's great that this guy wants to be with his kid so much!' but then I was thinking 'Oh of course she wants to be with the kid, she's his mum!'. So anyway OP thanks for the mental exercise:)

But if you have to do night wakings, then definitely get more lie ins; get DH to do more housework so you can have quality (but not stressful) time with DS; have equal free time if you can, get DH to do online shopping, and if you can get help so you can both get free time off together.

Motoko · 27/07/2017 12:17

Doesn't DS take a bottle or cup at all? When mine were his age, they only had one BF, to settle them for bed. If they woke up, I just rocked them/changed nappy if needed, then put them back to bed.

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 12:23

Motoko no, he's never taken a bottle and will only drink water from a cup. He bf for comfort mostly, although does also have a proper feed when he wakes at night / first thing and when I get home from work (and often after dinner, even if he's stuffed his face Hmm ). He's a fairly clingy toddler (and was as a baby) but I've been assured I'll have the world's most independent and well-behaved teenager Wink

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shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 12:23

lucy glad you found it interesting! It was interesting for me putting myself in different shoes as well.

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MoHunter · 27/07/2017 12:34

Aw man, I knew it was too good to be true! Consider my proposal withdrawn!!! Angry

But I must say whether you're a man or woman you should not be doing quite as much as you do.

It's so hard to find the right balance, isn't it! I am a work from home mum (currently on maternity leave for DS2) so I get the worst of both worlds - I get to do exactly the same amount of housework / childcare as a SAHM but I also need to squeeze in 12ish hours of work each week.

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 12:37

MoHunter I don't know how you do it. I tried to work from home recently and it was quite literally impossible. I managed it a few times when DS was around 9 months old, easy especially when he was poorly and just wanted to cuddle/feed all day, but now... not a chance!

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Welshrainbow · 27/07/2017 12:40

I think you do what works for you but doing all the night wakings and early starts doesn't seem fair. I'm off work for the summer holidays at the moment so at home with DS, my OH does half the night waking and early starts and we share the housework. She usually does bed time while I cook dinner for us. If it's been a stressful day she also takes DS to the garden to play for 30 mins when she gets home so I can have 30 mins to sit down with a cup of tea. Her days off are family days and we both do an equal amount with our DS together it's not really about one of us doing all the childcare we just parent together.

AudacityJones · 27/07/2017 12:41

Sigh. On another thread about a woman debating whether to start a family I commented saying she should beware of her partner's plans to be a SAHD because in my limited experience SAHDs don't do remotely as much as SAHMs. I'm happy if it works for you OP and your husband's depression obviously is a mitigating factor, but it's disappointing to a remote online observer that it's yet another case where SAHDs are not really pulling their weight in the way a SAHM would be.

I feel both vindicated and sexist for having called a reverse.

MoHunter · 27/07/2017 12:45

Shirley We bought a massive playpen for DS1 and filled it with all his best toys - he got good at entertaining himself for 20-30 minutes a day, Then I usually squeezed in another 1-2 hours during nap times. I refused to work in he evening after he'd gone to bed as that was my only downtime!

It will be different now when my mat leave runs out and I've got 2 DC to look after (on the plus side DS1 will go to nursery three mornings a week).

My household standards are very low these days so thinking of getting a cleaner once a week if we can afford it!

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 12:49

Audacity I would stress that while I do a lot, my partner does too. He's very pro-actively involved and doesn't just do the minimum while waiting for me to get home. I do night stuff as I'm bf otherwise we probably would have a better split. I think it's clear from quite a few posters here that there are SAHDs who do pull their weight, although it's less common - but hopefully this is gradually shifting? One thing I've definitely noticed which needs to change is support for SAHDs, as I don't think it's as prevalent as that for SAHMs. DH feels quite ostracised at many toddler groups by mums with babies (to be honest so do I but he's about a billion times more social than me!) and there's little out there specifically for dads, or if there is it's at weekends.

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shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 12:50

I would also say though that this wasn't necessarily an active choice on DH's part - he's doing a bloody good job of it, but in the long run I think a balance of work and childcare would probably suit him better (and probably me too - I hate missing this much of my son's life!).

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Shadowboy · 27/07/2017 12:57

My husband is currently doing paternity leave while I'm at work. We have 2 children both not currently attending nursery. If I was expected to do everything you do I would burn out! It would be too much! I leave at 7.30am for work and I am back at 5pm if I thin had to do all other jobs I'd never rest. We split it in our house. Each of us does one dog walk a day and we take it in turn each night to bath and feed the kids. We take it in turns to have a lie in. I'm going to go against the grain and say yes I think it is too much. If your work is anything like mine I work through my lunch to get stuff done so I can leave at 4pm to get home for 5 so I can cook but I wouldn't be happy if I had to do it all!

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 13:01

Shadow when DS was at a childminder for 5 months (before our situation changed) I was working through lunch in order to do drop-offs and collections and I was super stressed and felt really busy. Having DH at home has actually made my life feel a lot easier as I don't have to do any of that - but obviously he has a very long day as a result (11 hours). My work can be busy but isn't the most stressful job so I probably have it a lot easier than many (office hours etc). But I do remember well how hard it was being constantly on the go at work and at home without a break - this is definitely miles better by comparison and one reason I'm mostly happy with the arrangement!

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Tofutti · 27/07/2017 13:10

Ha I called reverse after the first post.

Men just don't write like this!

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 13:18

Hmm, need to work on my creative writing skills...

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ConstanceCraving · 27/07/2017 13:29

I knew this wasn't what it was made out to be.

debbriana · 27/07/2017 13:35

I don't know why I felt the weakly shop was a bit off when you mentioned it. But then when you added the info about the Car. I thought well, maybe it's true. It just came across as too good to be true and it's shame that it wasn't. I wish it was true.

debbriana · 27/07/2017 13:41

Op, an the reason why they are waking up a lot at night is because they hungry. The child is 18, look into what they have during the day and whether their dad is feeding them properly.

If they are like my Dd at that age who preferred milk and still ask for it now, two years on. solid food is always on back burner and they wait for the night feed or when the next breast milk is.

Defiantly look into it.

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 13:47

Deb he wakes regardless of food consumed! Just comfort some of the time I think Smile

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debbriana · 27/07/2017 13:57

If it's not food then that's good. Dd is almost 4 and she still ask me for milk even though she has not had one in about a year and half.

sorry for my spelling mistakes. I don't know where my brain is today. I am sure your child is not 18 either. Nor are they weakly or any of the other missed words.

NaymeChaynge · 27/07/2017 14:28

Why do you care what your friend thinks? If people on here say you are doing too much are you suddenly going to stop, or are you just seeking praise?

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 14:30

Mostly just seeking praise, Nayme! I don't even bother stealth boasting any more.

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