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To think I'm just being an equal partner?

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shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 16:21

Settle an argument between me and my friend!

He thinks I’m doing too much at home, that my wife expects too much of me, and is worried I’ll burn out – I just think I’m doing my best to support my wife while we both do equally demanding jobs.

I work full-time, my wife is a SAHP to our 18mo DS, mostly through circumstance (she lost her job, our childminder quit) but she was happy for the chance to spend more time with our DS and knows she can go back to work any time. I was a SAHP for a few months when DS was a baby but am now back at work and we’re just about surviving on my salary.

Being a SAHP is completely draining, and my partner – while loving the time with our son – is understandably exhausted most days, and often reduced to tears by the unrelenting nature of full-time childcare. I’m out of the house from 7.30-6.30 but around that I:

  • do bedtime every night
  • do all night wakes
  • do all early starts until I need to get ready for work and my wife takes over
  • do the majority of childcare every weekend so she can have a break (we try to have at least a few hours’ family time together though)
  • do the big weekly shop
  • change the beds every fortnight week
  • do what housework I can when I’m home, including a big clean at weekends, plus cook the following day’s dinner the night before when possible

My wife goes out at least a couple of times per month with friends and I keep encouraging her to plan more things in the evenings so she can get a bit more adult company and not feel like all she does is childcare! I probably go out either with work or socially one evening every 4-6 weeks, but am always home to put DS to bed and am aware that it’s a long day for my partner otherwise. I’ve been taking my annual leave as the odd day here and there so me and DS go out somewhere and she gets a whole day off, which she appreciates although these days are obviously few and far between. One weekend I took DS away overnight so she had the whole weekend to herself.

Most of my dad friends say their stay at home partners did or do all the night wakes so they would be better prepared for their work day. One friend in particular is worried that I’m often tired and thinks it’s unfair that I do so much when my wife ‘doesn’t work’. But the way I see it, my wife’s work day is from 7.30 until 6.30 with no breaks (except the hour or two when DS sleeps), whereas I get an hour commute each way, only work from 9-5.30 and usually get a lunch break! Yes, I’m tired, but I’m still able to function at work and I know my wife is doing the harder job so I’d rather she was as rested as possible – I know she often feels very frustrated at home, or doing the same things day in day out, and obviously an 18 month old isn’t always the easiest company.

My wife has dinner on the table when I get home every day, whether she’s had to cook it or is just heating something I’ve cooked the night before. She does lots of laundry and keeps the house as clean as she can with a toddler around. When I’m home, I see it as my responsibility to do everything else she’s not had time to do, and to give her a break! Admittedly I don’t feel like I get much of a break myself but I want to support my wife, love spending time with my DS and miss the days when I saw him all day every day, so think it’s worth the sacrifice. Surely this is just what it’s like when you have children? But from what I hear, the majority of working men seem to expect their stay at home partners to do the lion’s share of house-related tasks as well (not to mention all the childcare, even after doing that for 5 days a week)? I can’t compare anecdotally with working women with stay at home partners as I don’t know any socially or at work.

So who is BU? Me for thinking this is normal and should be expected, or my friend for thinking this isn’t normal or the sign of a healthy partnership?

OP posts:
ConstanceCraving · 26/07/2017 17:26

Gotcha OP. Just that you didn't say you'd NC in your OP.

MoosicalDaisy · 26/07/2017 17:27

It's lovely you have a routine and you're both happy. Although I do think she should do the night feeds. Hopefully she does them at the weekend at least? That will change soon enough anyway as little one gets older

shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 17:29

I think I've made it sound like my wife does nothing. To be clear, she does as much as she can during the day - housework, laundry and so on, obviously to the extent she can while looking after DS. I don't do all the housework, just pick up the bits she can't do, and we share big cleans at the weekend (it's just that I will try to do this if she's had a hard/busy week).

She doesn't do the big shop as she doesn't drive.

She is on medication for depression and is generally fine but I think this is quite new for her as an experience (isn't it for any first-time parent?!) at a very difficult age. Obviously if she had more than one child she'd adapt, so I don't think it's fair to say one child is easy as it's all relative. But yes, she has days when she's struggling just like we all do. She's not lazy by any means.

As for sharing night wakes, I've always done them for the most part (got into the habit when DS was small) so am used to it. I'm sure she'd be fine to take on some of them if I asked - it's more fool me for not asking I suppose.To be clear though, I'm doing this because I want to and I appreciate everything she's doing during the week to entertain, educate and care for our child. I'll admit I'm also slightly jealous (as was she when I was a SAHP!).

The one thing she does which irks me slightly is say that it's harder for her now then it was for me then, when obviously I do know what DS is like since I have him for the occasional day and weekend, and the challenges were just different then imo. But I don't want to argue Wink

OP posts:
shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 17:29

Sorry Constance, should have done!

OP posts:
pilates · 26/07/2017 17:33

Shirley, you sound lovely. Think the scales are tipped slightly in your wife's favour tbh but if you are happy to do it crack on. You will have a great relationship with your son, you reap what you sow and all that. Good for you.

ConstanceCraving · 26/07/2017 17:34

You sound like a good guy all round OP.
Just make sure you have enough down time too.

VeryButchyRestingFace · 26/07/2017 17:36

I would not be a happy 🐰 to come home to that laundry list of chores on top of working F/T.

In particular, the all night wakes/early starts.

However, who gives a fuck about what a bunch of randoms on the internets and your mate says??

What matters is whether you're happy and feel physically/mentally shattered alert and well. Smile

Pumpkinnose · 26/07/2017 17:37

I think the night time wakes should at least be shared and to be honest if I was the SAHP I would expect to do all of them unless there was an excessive number.

Pumpkinnose · 26/07/2017 17:40

Oh and I love the thought of an 08.45 lie in regularly at the weekend. Can't believe the previous poster who seemed to suggest that wasn't a lie in when you have kids Wink

tired121212 · 26/07/2017 17:42

I think the night wakings should be shared. When I breastfed and worked full time, the night wakings almost killed me. Do not underestimate the cumulative effect of lack of proper sleep. Other than that, it sounds like a good arrangement if you are happy.

KayTree87 · 26/07/2017 17:51

Your wife should be doing the night wakings and early starts. That's coming from a stay at home parent too ☺

GallicosCats · 26/07/2017 17:52

I think you sound wonderful. My DH did similar when the DCs were small except for fewer nights. And I couldn't help feeling a bit guilty that I wasn't particularly good at either housework or childcare and that DH somehow managed to do three times the amount I could in the same time. However, that's by the by.

What jumps out at me is, how much fun are either of you having? It's relentless when kids are this small and while I applaud your desire to make sure your wife gets time with her friends, how about some time together doing something enjoyable? It's important that you get downtime as well. Now and again, get grandparents or a babysitter in, get a cleaner as a one off and have a break.

AudacityJones · 26/07/2017 17:57

I don't get it - you both have full-time jobs during the day effectively. Why are you the only one doing the night-time wakings?

Is this some sort of elaborate reverse? Taking it at face value, I'd say - whatever works for you... BUT if your work is suffering (and is it a friend or a colleague who's commenting on how tired you are?), then it's not fair to your employers / colleagues.

I'd imagine the SAHP does the bulk of night-time wakings, but what do I know? Don't have kids yet, so happy to be ignored/corrected.

Pengggwn · 26/07/2017 17:58

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Glumglowworm · 26/07/2017 18:00

All night wakes is a lot for any one person. That in particular could probably benefit from being shared between you both

But tbh as long as you're happy, DW is happy and DS is happy, it doesn't matter what your friend or MN think.

You've done both sides of it, been a SAHP and a WOHP. That's given you great insight and you clearly put high value on what your wife does every day which is fantastic.

famousfour · 26/07/2017 18:01

Yes I did wonder if it was a strange reverse or at least somewhat disingenuously positioned... but decided to take at face value. Smile

Bluntness100 · 26/07/2017 18:05

I think you are doing more than you're fair share and I think evenings and weekends should be split, you both need a break. However if you're as happy with it as you say, then it's all good and what anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

Rhubarbtart9 · 26/07/2017 18:10

My DH would always give me an hours break from childcare once home. I'd usually have a long bath in that hour. Then one of us would do the baby's routine and the other one do any evening chores. Both sitting down at 8. Nights were split responsibility wise. We'd also go out with friends whenever. Didn't keep tabs of how many nights out or weekends away we each had

lottiegarbanzo · 26/07/2017 18:16

The nights and mornings thing is so personal though. People have very different natural patterns of sleeping, waking, stamina, alertness, exhaustion. What suits one person or couple would be he'll for another.

E.g. I am a night owl and have much more stamina allowing me stay up late when necessary. I need sleep in the morning though. Being woken before 6am destroys me for the day. DP is a lark who wakes fully alert but literally conks out when tired at night. So me doing nights, him early mornings - so even if up all night I'd get that last two hours - worked for us. Also, weekend lie ins allowed me to catch up from the week and kept me sane. He cannot lie in and never has. But if it was the other way around, then it would have made sense for him to cover nights, me mornings, regardless of which of was WOH.

Allthewaves · 26/07/2017 18:17

One person in relationship doing all the waking and early risings is taking the mick tbh.

DearMrDilkington · 26/07/2017 18:25

Your doing way too much.

lottiegarbanzo · 26/07/2017 18:25

What I'd be interested to know from your friends OP, especially those who think their wives should cover most domestic work and childcare at evenings and weekends - and you are in a position to ask them that we are not - is:

  • Do they enjoy spending time with their children?
  • did they want to have a family?
  • where did their idea of what family is, come from?
  • why do they think their wives should have less leisure time, less fun in life, than them?
  • why does their love for their wives not drive them to make their lives as pleasurable as possible? (To work with them as a team to achieve this for each other)
  • are they selfish lovers too?

You may not want to ask that last one. I think it's all part of the same thing. Your friends sound like takers in life.

kingfishergreen · 26/07/2017 18:29

Oh and I love the thought of an 08.45 lie in regularly at the weekend.-

It's a rare and glorious treat Pumpkin and I properly luxuriate in it. It happens about once every two weeks. Aside from than it's 6:45am for everyone (which isn't bad by baby standards).

Rossigigi · 26/07/2017 18:29

Me and dp were like you except I done all cooking and he all ironing, and we both done nights. It worked for us too. Ignore anyone else.

Motoko · 26/07/2017 18:56

I think your wife should do the nights during the week, then you take over at the weekends.
Same with the earlies, with the exception that at the weekend you each get a lay in. You lay in on Saturday, she gets Sunday.

Would you like to go out with friends more often? It seems as though your wife gets lots of time off, but you don't.

If your friend has noticed you look tired, you should get more rest.