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To think I'm just being an equal partner?

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shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 16:21

Settle an argument between me and my friend!

He thinks I’m doing too much at home, that my wife expects too much of me, and is worried I’ll burn out – I just think I’m doing my best to support my wife while we both do equally demanding jobs.

I work full-time, my wife is a SAHP to our 18mo DS, mostly through circumstance (she lost her job, our childminder quit) but she was happy for the chance to spend more time with our DS and knows she can go back to work any time. I was a SAHP for a few months when DS was a baby but am now back at work and we’re just about surviving on my salary.

Being a SAHP is completely draining, and my partner – while loving the time with our son – is understandably exhausted most days, and often reduced to tears by the unrelenting nature of full-time childcare. I’m out of the house from 7.30-6.30 but around that I:

  • do bedtime every night
  • do all night wakes
  • do all early starts until I need to get ready for work and my wife takes over
  • do the majority of childcare every weekend so she can have a break (we try to have at least a few hours’ family time together though)
  • do the big weekly shop
  • change the beds every fortnight week
  • do what housework I can when I’m home, including a big clean at weekends, plus cook the following day’s dinner the night before when possible

My wife goes out at least a couple of times per month with friends and I keep encouraging her to plan more things in the evenings so she can get a bit more adult company and not feel like all she does is childcare! I probably go out either with work or socially one evening every 4-6 weeks, but am always home to put DS to bed and am aware that it’s a long day for my partner otherwise. I’ve been taking my annual leave as the odd day here and there so me and DS go out somewhere and she gets a whole day off, which she appreciates although these days are obviously few and far between. One weekend I took DS away overnight so she had the whole weekend to herself.

Most of my dad friends say their stay at home partners did or do all the night wakes so they would be better prepared for their work day. One friend in particular is worried that I’m often tired and thinks it’s unfair that I do so much when my wife ‘doesn’t work’. But the way I see it, my wife’s work day is from 7.30 until 6.30 with no breaks (except the hour or two when DS sleeps), whereas I get an hour commute each way, only work from 9-5.30 and usually get a lunch break! Yes, I’m tired, but I’m still able to function at work and I know my wife is doing the harder job so I’d rather she was as rested as possible – I know she often feels very frustrated at home, or doing the same things day in day out, and obviously an 18 month old isn’t always the easiest company.

My wife has dinner on the table when I get home every day, whether she’s had to cook it or is just heating something I’ve cooked the night before. She does lots of laundry and keeps the house as clean as she can with a toddler around. When I’m home, I see it as my responsibility to do everything else she’s not had time to do, and to give her a break! Admittedly I don’t feel like I get much of a break myself but I want to support my wife, love spending time with my DS and miss the days when I saw him all day every day, so think it’s worth the sacrifice. Surely this is just what it’s like when you have children? But from what I hear, the majority of working men seem to expect their stay at home partners to do the lion’s share of house-related tasks as well (not to mention all the childcare, even after doing that for 5 days a week)? I can’t compare anecdotally with working women with stay at home partners as I don’t know any socially or at work.

So who is BU? Me for thinking this is normal and should be expected, or my friend for thinking this isn’t normal or the sign of a healthy partnership?

OP posts:
Lanaorana2 · 26/07/2017 16:52

I would alternate night duty with DW until DS sleeps through. DW could do the big weekly shop while you are at home with DS, gets her away from the toddler a bit more, and active with it.

ConstanceCraving · 26/07/2017 16:53

Sounds like you're doing far more than your wife from what you've said BUT if that works for you both then great.

dArtagnansCrumpet · 26/07/2017 16:55

Think I married the wrong man Sad

HeteronormativeHaybales · 26/07/2017 16:57

I agree with those who think the balance is skewed in your wife's favour. I've always done all night wakings - I work but with the second two it's been PT and after a year's mat leave (a bit different with the eldest but I still basically did nights then). My dh would have been happy to take on at least part of night duties but I wouldn't have liked it - I would have worried about him functioning at work/driving etc. Plus my dc still bf at night until nearly 2, so he would have been of limited help anyway. Now and again when I was about to collapse with exhaustion I got him to take them for an hour or so.

I don't think you should be rushing home and doing the cooking either, tbh, nor doing most of the weekend childcare. Bedtime, yes; nice bonding time for you and dc. Share of the cleaning, yes. Equal shares of childcare when you are both home, hell yes. But tbh, it sounds a bit as if she has been complaining non-stop about how hard it is and has you a bit where she wants you.

If you take your annual leave so she gets a break, when do you get a break? I admit to loving it when dh takes our three for the day, but I rarely use it for a complete break - I work (from home) or do something that needs to be done.

lottiegarbanzo · 26/07/2017 16:57

Of course, statistics tell us that more housework is still done by women, so most of your friends won't have been pulling their weight domestically pre-DCs either. They have a long-term vested interest in keeping it that way. You are a challenge to that orthodoxy. No wonder you make them feel uncomfortable.

kingfishergreen · 26/07/2017 17:00

To be honest, it doesn't sound like it's a 50:50 partnership. It sounds like you're doing more than your fair share.

I work four days a week, DH is a SAHD (DD is 9 months old).

During the working week:

DH gets DD up, gives her breakfast (while I shower) and then they carry on with their day.

I get home at 6:15ish by which time DD has had dinner and we share baby-care 50:50 (playing, bathing, final feed, bedtime).

We share cooking and cleaning 50:50 (I tend to do more tidying and bleach-work, DH does more washing/hoovering).

During the week DH gets up for most night time wakings.

Weekends:

Thursday, Friday and Saturday night I get up for any night wakings.

We agree that if one or the other of us feels worn-out by it, we MUST wake the other to take over.

I admit I get more lie-ins than DH (I am a much sleepier person), but by 'lie in' I mean, that sometimes I get an 08:45 start at the weekend.

What really matters is that you are happy, if you can feel resentment building, tackle it head-on before it becomes an issue.

Megabeth · 26/07/2017 17:01

I think you need more sleep tbh. Your wife could take a nap when your son does, I used to do that when DS and DD were tiny.

lottiegarbanzo · 26/07/2017 17:01

Also, only you and your wife know how hard your jobs are, to you and compared to each other. That will vary over time too. Your tasks and time allocations may well change with that. Give and take.

I found 18 months a challenging age, very full on during the day. That was when I'd be looking at the clock at 3pm thinking 'how can there still be three hours before DP comes home? Arghh!'

HeteronormativeHaybales · 26/07/2017 17:02

And full disclosure, my dh does similar amounts to you, barring the bedtimes (though he tends to get dd ready while I shepherd the older ones) and night wakings. We share weekend childcare and cleaning, and he cooks a couple of times a week. He gets up with the dc, although I tend to be awake before him because dd does early-hours on-and-off bf. He does the shop because I loathe shopping and he likes it. I work 0.625 FTE plus freelancing, he works FT. And I still feel he's on the borderline to doing too much and a bit guilty about it.

lmer · 26/07/2017 17:04

It's great that you like to help- but remember it's ok to need a break yourself sometimes

lelapaletute · 26/07/2017 17:07

For context I was looking forward to being a little housewife for my partner while on mat leave (currently 6 mths in). Hah frankly. He does the shopping, much of the cleaning, most of the cooking and washing up. I do laundry, what cooking prep I can squeeze in around baby, change beds when they need making over - but my time is mostly taken up with baby and desperately trying to claw back sleep whenever she's sleeping. I do all bedtimes, mornings and night waking (baby is exclusively breastfed) and would KILL for a two hour lie in even just once a month. I have read one book in 6 months. Nothing can prepare you for how much attention and time a small baby takes up, and how absolutely crucifying sleep deprivation is. I would have been shocked if anyone had told me before baby how much formerly shared work I would end up loading onto my working partner while effectively "lounging around at home all day". God knows how we'll manage when I go back to work.

peggyundercrackers · 26/07/2017 17:09

tbh you are doing the lions share. you shouldn't be doing all childcare over the weekend, nor should you be doing all the cleaning at the weekend, why would your wife not do the weekly shop during the day?

ConstanceCraving · 26/07/2017 17:10

Did you join just to ask this question OP?

RelaxMax · 26/07/2017 17:11

I'm a SAHM with a v involved hands on husband. Only thing that jumps out for me is you're doing all the night wakes. If your partner could do night wakes on Friday and Saturday then you could get some solid sleep and (if necessary) she could nap the next day while you're available to spend time with your son. That might seem fairer plus you'd be less tired. Long term sleep deprivation is really bad for you!

Other than that sounds like you're doing a lot but it's an ok balance.

shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 17:12

Just to clarify, wife doesn't drive hence me doing the weekly shop (cheaper at Aldi rather than doing online with a big supermarket), and we're in London so I don't have to worry about being unsafe driving to work - I get a relaxing (ha) commute on a bus.

OP posts:
shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 17:12

NC Constance but thanks for asking.

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BlueAutumnSkies · 26/07/2017 17:14

If it works for you and you're happy with it then who cares what your friend thinks?

But if you do want opinions, I am a SAHM ready to drop with #2 and I don't expect my husband to do that much. It can be tiring but I wouldn't say more tiring than working full time. I personally wouldn't be happy with that arrangement, I would feel lazy but again, if it works for you that's all that matters really. We don't always agree with how people live their lives but frankly it isn't our business.

I am concerned your wife might have depression though, you do a lot and she has quite a bit of free time so it would worry me that she is getting very upset and needs much more sleep then you. Tiredness can be a big marker for depression, but obviously you know your wife and you know what is normal for her, she might just be an emotive person that needs her sleep.

famousfour · 26/07/2017 17:14

There is no one formulae for the right and fair balance really. It's highly individual.

But at face value I think you are doing more than your fair share. I would have thought you split night wakings and mornings as well as weekends. Not sure why it's 'fair' for one person to do 100%?

Rule of thumb for me is that both parents should have similar opportunity for down time, hobbies etc.

DoIDontIhavethetalk · 26/07/2017 17:14

Do you have single a twin brother?

Goodnightsweetheart1 · 26/07/2017 17:15

I have 3 children under 4. I am a SAHM. I do everything. Your wife sounds lazy. 1 child is easy!

StiginaGrump · 26/07/2017 17:18

I just wonder why your wife is happy that you do night wakinga despite being so knackered colleagues are worried. Do you insist, does she feel worse for other reasons or is she not giving you the consideration you are giving her. All those shite parables and moral fables in school assembly but the one that had something was the woman who choooed off her beautiful hair to buy the watch strap for her husbands watch whilst he sold the watch for a lovely hair comb.

Pengggwn · 26/07/2017 17:19

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TeachesOfPeaches · 26/07/2017 17:21

Sounds like your wife has got a pretty good deal. I work full time and I'm a single parent so do all weekends alone with my 18m old and I'm not that exhausted at all. Surely your child still naps in the day so your wife gets a break then?

Me264 · 26/07/2017 17:22

Your wife is hardly doing anything. Full time childcare is relentless and boring but especially by 18 months she must have some breaks in her day when she could do the odd bit of housework, cook something ready for the evening etc. Most 18 month olds are having a decent 1-2 hour long nap and can be occupied by the tv or toys for half an hour here and there.

I also don't think it's at all fair that you do the night wakings! I did them all when I was off on mat leave with my DS. Now I'm back at work DS thankfully sleeps through 99% of the time but when he occasionally wakes from teething etc and I have work the next day it's hell, I can't concentrate very well - working in a professional job on no sleep is much worse than getting through the day with a toddler on no sleep.

user4627462187468 · 26/07/2017 17:25

I think your doing far to much to be honest. My DH helps a lot round the house and my family all say that he does a lot, but we both work full time so we do roughly an equal share each. When i was a sahm to two dc one of which is disabled i did the lions share of the household things, as dh worked similar hours to you. He did help, he would clean up after dinner, and usually put the children to bed, do some of the night feeds (although i used to do most) and if i was tired would cook, or get up with the baby so i could have a rest. I wouldn't have wanted him to do everything that you are doing as i care for him and would have worried myself he would be burned out and tired. Being a sahm is exhausting, but that doesn't mean that you can't do anything other than look after a baby. Don't get me wrong, some days thats all i would manage but on the whole most of the household duties fell on me. I wouldn't want to be with someone who lived with me but failed to see i was exhausted but a friend noticed enough to say? i think you should sit down and maybe talk to your dw, do you think she could be depressed?

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