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To think I'm just being an equal partner?

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shirleythefamilyguy · 26/07/2017 16:21

Settle an argument between me and my friend!

He thinks I’m doing too much at home, that my wife expects too much of me, and is worried I’ll burn out – I just think I’m doing my best to support my wife while we both do equally demanding jobs.

I work full-time, my wife is a SAHP to our 18mo DS, mostly through circumstance (she lost her job, our childminder quit) but she was happy for the chance to spend more time with our DS and knows she can go back to work any time. I was a SAHP for a few months when DS was a baby but am now back at work and we’re just about surviving on my salary.

Being a SAHP is completely draining, and my partner – while loving the time with our son – is understandably exhausted most days, and often reduced to tears by the unrelenting nature of full-time childcare. I’m out of the house from 7.30-6.30 but around that I:

  • do bedtime every night
  • do all night wakes
  • do all early starts until I need to get ready for work and my wife takes over
  • do the majority of childcare every weekend so she can have a break (we try to have at least a few hours’ family time together though)
  • do the big weekly shop
  • change the beds every fortnight week
  • do what housework I can when I’m home, including a big clean at weekends, plus cook the following day’s dinner the night before when possible

My wife goes out at least a couple of times per month with friends and I keep encouraging her to plan more things in the evenings so she can get a bit more adult company and not feel like all she does is childcare! I probably go out either with work or socially one evening every 4-6 weeks, but am always home to put DS to bed and am aware that it’s a long day for my partner otherwise. I’ve been taking my annual leave as the odd day here and there so me and DS go out somewhere and she gets a whole day off, which she appreciates although these days are obviously few and far between. One weekend I took DS away overnight so she had the whole weekend to herself.

Most of my dad friends say their stay at home partners did or do all the night wakes so they would be better prepared for their work day. One friend in particular is worried that I’m often tired and thinks it’s unfair that I do so much when my wife ‘doesn’t work’. But the way I see it, my wife’s work day is from 7.30 until 6.30 with no breaks (except the hour or two when DS sleeps), whereas I get an hour commute each way, only work from 9-5.30 and usually get a lunch break! Yes, I’m tired, but I’m still able to function at work and I know my wife is doing the harder job so I’d rather she was as rested as possible – I know she often feels very frustrated at home, or doing the same things day in day out, and obviously an 18 month old isn’t always the easiest company.

My wife has dinner on the table when I get home every day, whether she’s had to cook it or is just heating something I’ve cooked the night before. She does lots of laundry and keeps the house as clean as she can with a toddler around. When I’m home, I see it as my responsibility to do everything else she’s not had time to do, and to give her a break! Admittedly I don’t feel like I get much of a break myself but I want to support my wife, love spending time with my DS and miss the days when I saw him all day every day, so think it’s worth the sacrifice. Surely this is just what it’s like when you have children? But from what I hear, the majority of working men seem to expect their stay at home partners to do the lion’s share of house-related tasks as well (not to mention all the childcare, even after doing that for 5 days a week)? I can’t compare anecdotally with working women with stay at home partners as I don’t know any socially or at work.

So who is BU? Me for thinking this is normal and should be expected, or my friend for thinking this isn’t normal or the sign of a healthy partnership?

OP posts:
Caprianna · 26/07/2017 19:05

I think it sounds crazy, but my opinion doesn't matter if it works for you. I think it sounds like your wife might be depressed or not like being at home? Its not that hard looking after a 18 month old who naps for a few hours a day.

Perhaps you should both go to work, put your child in daycare and then spend weekends and evenings together as a family.

missadasmith · 26/07/2017 19:11

Being a SAHP is completely draining, and my partner – while loving the time with our son – is understandably exhausted most days, and often reduced to tears by the unrelenting nature of full-time childcare.

I have just re-read the opening post and this ^^ having a toddler is hard but this is not normal. Could there be more to it (depression or so)?

MoHunter · 26/07/2017 19:15

Marry me lmao! Grin

In all seriousness, I wish my DP did just ONE of those things on a regular basis. And we have 2 DC! He helps me with bedtime on days when he is home early enough from
Work, and usually does the bins and recycling (I do it sometimes), we do equal childcare in the weekends and that's about it. I have recently started insisting that he cooks dinner once in a fortnight. He sometimes empties/fills the dishwasher but does no other cleaning.

I think your wife is very lucky... and I don't agree with the attitude so many seem to have that SAHPs have it easy or don't need a break because they "don't work".

debbriana · 26/07/2017 19:16

I thought that the whole reason for a weekend lie in was because of waking up in the night. It's you who should be getting a lie in. No wonder you are tired .

debbriana · 26/07/2017 19:18

I think it's unfair you're doing all bedtimes, night wakes and early starts. When do you get a lie-in?! This is by far the most tiring of all the child care jobs and the most difficult to be honest.

redphonebox · 26/07/2017 19:21

I apologise if I'm making a massive leap here OP. But what from what you've said it just sounds like your wife is depressed and you've stepped in to support her. Which is completely wonderful and that's what should happen in a relationship, but I just wonder if you could both also be doing more to address the underlying issue?

You've said your wife is regularly in tears as a SAHM. My DH would be really worried if I was working in a job which reduced me to tears several times a week, and vice versa. It's not healthy. Would she be happier working, perhaps part time, either with you as a SAHD/going part time yourself or with DS in nursery for a few hours a week?

I know you've said you're happy with the arrangement, but it doesn't actually sound like your wife is that happy and long term I think you're on the road to exhaustion. It is, of course, none of my business, but you did ask!

honeylulu · 26/07/2017 19:34

You sound awesome.
I think you are due more downtime than that though. You BOTH need some time off.

Xmasbaby11 · 26/07/2017 19:38

I think you're doing too much and that's why you're tired. All the bedtimes and night wakings?! Are you for real? They should be alternated or shared in some way especially the nights. Having to do a full days work when sleep deprived is so much harder than going to playgroups and cafes.

iwannapuppy · 26/07/2017 20:01

I just read your OP to my DH and he replied with a narky "well isn't he a hero" haha. The reason I read it to him was that I think you sound amazing and I think every woman would like a husband like you. However I do think your wife is getting a bloody good deal. I'm a SAHM and my DH does do a lot around the house, but no where near that much!

InDubiousBattle · 26/07/2017 20:48

I think in your position I'd be a bit worried about my partner. I hate posts that insist 'I find x easy so everyone else should' and I understand how hard it can be to be a SAHP but unless your child has serious additional needs then your wife shouldn't be absolutely exhausted every day and often reduced to tears, especially as she isn't doing night wakings etc.

Stoptherideiwannagetoff · 26/07/2017 20:56

You Sir, are an absolute gem. Hope you get time to yourself as well... do you offer lessons? My DlazyarseH could sure do with them Grin

Goodnightsweetheart1 · 26/07/2017 21:06

You should definitely pay attention to the part where you say she is reduced to tears at the end of the day. This isn't normal, especially for someone who doesn't seem to have much of a work load.
Trust me I know how hard being a SAHM is. I have been doing it for 4 years and I have 3 children and I do everything on "your list" too. I often find it hard but having one child should not reduce her to tears. Especially as she gets sleep! Does she need extra support via therapy? Or maybe she isn't cut out for home life. Could she work part time? Would this lesson the burden on you and stop her from crying at the end of the day? I know you say you want to do it all but it seems very excessive for a full time working to be doing g SO much while your wife is at home all day everyday.
My husband would really wonder what I was doing all day. And would be very worried if I was ending the day crying.
Could you talk to a HV?

Goodnightsweetheart1 · 26/07/2017 21:12

Also I have done every single night feed (bf) and night wakening for 3 children and now they all share a room. It's fucking tiring! You need to get her up at night or at least in the morning. I still get up twice a night then up at 6.30 everyday while my husband sleeps until 8. I am happy to do it but I am also very tired. My husband would not bat an eyelid at me asking for a lye in at weekends though. Could she get up in the night at the weekends? And do the morning routine? You need to get some sleep or you will start to fall apart at some point t. Especially as people have started noticing.

Goodnightsweetheart1 · 26/07/2017 21:15

Also if she is at home all day everyday why can't she cook? This whole thing has really perplexed me. She has a fucking sweet.life. I hope she knows it. Send her round to mine, I'll show her how it's done!

RelaxMax · 26/07/2017 21:26

I do wonder why she's finding it so hard tbh....is she suited to being a SAHM? Not everybody is, and it sounds like it wasn't really planned. Maybe she'd be happier going back to work?

One toddler shouldn't really be so tough that she needs so much time off/help, unless for some reason he has additional needs or she is struggling with her own depression.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/07/2017 22:00

Also if she is at home all day everyday why can't she cook? he has said that dinner is on the table most nights. And she does housework during the day.

Motoko · 26/07/2017 22:20

Yeah, but he also said he sometimes makes the meals the night before, so she just has to reheat it.

laurelstar · 26/07/2017 23:33

You sound amazing. None of your friend's business really. Your son is what matters and it sounds like you're a great dad

JaniceBattersby · 26/07/2017 23:54

I think you are probably doing a bit more than half there but certainly no more than pretty much all the working mothers I know.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/07/2017 23:57

Yeah, but he also said he sometimes makes the meals the night before, so she just has to reheat it. True, but who knows how often?

My DD was a full-time plus more job at that age. She has SEN but we didn't know that at the time. 18 months was the height of unmanageable, non-sleeping bedlam. I also had friends with biddable children who did this thing called 'sitting still'. No idea what it is because DD never did it. But I understand it exists.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 27/07/2017 08:33

I agree that barring SN or exceptionally bad sleep, 18mo isn't a routinely-reduced-to-tears-in-the-evenings age. We have fairly bad sleep and my youngest is only a little older, I work from home in the mornings while she is in nursery, rush across town and pick her up and get her to nap before doing more work and then juggle her and my older two, who are home at varying points in the afternoons (German schools), until evening, before another either broken or short night with dd never asleep before 9, 9.30. I'm pretty damn tired and need a proper break (I won't be getting), but I'm not crying in the evenings. I do wonder whether in taking on more and more you are enabling the status quo and allowing her to not seek the help it sounds as if she needs?

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 10:59

Thanks all for your thoughts. Now, don't flame me but...

This is indeed a reverse, of sorts. I'm actually the wife - my DH is the SAHP while I work full-time and do everything I listed in my OP. The only thing I omitted is that I'm still BF which is why I do all night wakes.

My partner does an amazing job with our son. He does as much as he can round the house, and as I said has dinner on the table pretty much every evening (maybe once or twice a week max I'll have cooked this in advance). They have lots of fun, he's very invested in DS's learning and development, and it's been brilliant for them to bond more. Yes, he suffers from depression, and isn't as good as me at compartmentalising so can find it all a bit much from time to time, but for the most part just gets on with it (just like I do, or many of you).

I do everything in my power to make his life easier, and he similarly supports me where he can - he'll suggest occasionally that I take a nap when I'm particularly knackered, and is always hounding me to take time off work if it's been a really bad run of night wakes, for instance. We're talking about potentially me having a day to myself sometime soon as I haven't had that really since DS was born and rarely go out.

I know this is the norm for many working mums. I wish it was the norm for more working dads, but I'm heartened to see that many of you already have partners giving a similar amount of support.

I wanted a more objective view on my contributions as I never feel like I'm doing enough, and have an ongoing guilt complex about not being there physically for my son (I realise I'm supporting the whole family with my salary). If I talk to friends, they're inevitably on my side and say I do far too much - but I suspected that if I were the man, I'd get a lot of people saying that actually what I do is about right.

By the looks of it, most of you think the balance is pretty much spot on except for the night wakes and perhaps a bit more time to catch up on rest at the weekends, all of which sounds sensible (and welcome) to me.

Sorry to disappoint those of you with offers of marriage (or requests to meet my twin brother - sadly I don't have one of those), and sorry for misleading you all in general. I'm particularly sorry that I'm not a man who's able to be a good example to other working dads. However, IRL I do know a few amazing, supportive men who share their family's burdens equally, alongside the absent, selfish and lazy ones. So there is hope.

Thanks again, this has been very interesting! And I'm fully taking on board all the comments about my partner's mental health - believe me, it's something I worry about constantly which is partly why I'm keen to ensure I'm supporting him in all the right ways. I can see that sometimes by doing too much practically I'm actually feeding the problem; and I'll keep open the conversation about him returning to work at some point, as I suspect the best possible scenario for all of us would be that we each work part time and get to spend the rest with our son.

OP posts:
LaurieMarlow · 27/07/2017 11:45

I knew this would turn out to be a reverse or something similar. It was too good to be true.

I agree it's close to the norm for many working mums though. Ha.

In terms of evening things up, if I were you I'd be handing all cooking and shopping responsibilities back to your DH. And taking turns on morning wakings and (in particular) ensuring you get one weekend day as a lie in. Lie ins are the only currency that matters between myself and my partner.

Could DS go to nursery or playgroup a few mornings a week to give DH a bit of a break? This may have been mentioned, I haven't rtft in depth.

shirleythefamilyguy · 27/07/2017 11:52

DH does the majority of cooking and any ad-hoc weekly shopping, I do the main shop at weekends as I have a car (he doesn't drive). Sometimes we'll all go together, and if we have the money we might do an online shop. So I'm okay with that arrangement, and have been encouraging him to do more meal-planning which he's getting pretty good at. Generally I'm okay with the split of food-related things!

We're very short on money, being on one salary in London, but I'm looking into childcare options (and have asked DH to investigate as well, as I know there's a local creche that does 2-hour sessions for a tenner). Even one morning a week might be a nice break for him. He's also exploring lots of local groups and hopefully will make it along to a dads' group soon as I think the biggest thing he's lacking is any kind of parenting network (something mums seem to find a bit more easily IME).

OP posts:
Spudlet · 27/07/2017 12:00

Your DH is ill, and you're supporting him which is marvellous and right. However, you must also try to look after yourself because if you both end up ill, you'll be in a right mess.

I am a SAHM to a child of the same age, and we split it thus:
DH does bath and bedtime
DH gets up in the morning because I am not a morning person. I'm only ever 15 minutes or so behind them though, and we split the weekends so we each have a lie-in
We split cooking between us - I probably do more, on balance
I do the meal planning and big online shop, he gets any top-ups in
I do most of the housework and laundry, fortunately our house is small and standards low Grin
I walk the dog
He does the garden
DS is a sleeper generally, but we share any night waking that happen. I did them all when I bf-ed so I feel it's fair enough for him to get up too now!

At weekends, we generally split things equally. He sometimes takes the boys (DS and ddog!) for a walk so I can veg out a bit, or sometimes I do a yoga class. Or we do things as a family. Or he goes for a bike ride with DS. I have offered many times for him to go out solo, but he refuses - it's always an option for him though.

You need downtime as well as your DH, so do try to build that in.