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Sean's gone. It's sad. Great guy. Going to miss him.Trump continued

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orlantina · 22/07/2017 22:26

New thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2977693-The-thread-where-we-meet-to-discuss-the-unfolding-Trump-administration-catastrophe-but-end-up-discussing-adoptions-from-Russia?msgid=70627530

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orlantina · 27/07/2017 08:17

Well today should be interesting.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/07/2017 08:21

Trump DoJ pick recently represented Putin-aligned Russian bank

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-doj-pick-recently-represented-putin-aligned-russian-bank-1010884675550

OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/07/2017 08:25

How can such rapid steps to a dictatorship be taken? This week has been quite horrifying - he's been trying to radicalise youth, shut down dissenters in his own party by cutting their States needs off, marginalising and discriminating against yet another group of people, normalising one foreign power influencing his own, speaking against the constitution, while all the while crying fake news.

orlantina · 27/07/2017 08:40

It's really strange watching Trump when the UK has a history of debate and discussion in Parliament. It's like no opposition member can talk and debate with him and hold him to account - at least in the UK, the Prime Minister does have debates in Parliament.

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Lweji · 27/07/2017 08:49

It's reported today in my national news that the US forces spend five times more on Viagra than on transexuals.

In case anyone believed his version that this was about saving resources. Confused

I'm glad they got their priorities straight.

orlantina · 27/07/2017 08:52

Sarah Sanders was talking about her being the first mother to hold the job of Press Secretary and how Trump was helping women like her.

I wonder how that ties in with his views - and views of his party on contraception and abortion? I guess he's not to bothered about women and their careers really.

The effect and influence of religion on politics in the US never ceases to amaze me.

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Lweji · 27/07/2017 09:00

Let's not forget Betty and the Administration efforts to undermine education.

It could have a lasting impact in the US society and development for decades.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/26/betsy-devos-education-secretary-trump

Gumpendorf · 27/07/2017 09:25

Our country is now as close to crossing the line from democracy to autocracy as it has been in our lifetimes.

On both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, we are witnessing a collapse of the norms of governing, constant violations of our legitimate expectations of political leaders, and the mutation of the normal conflicts of democracy into a form of warfare that demands the opposition’s unconditional surrender.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-norms-of-governing-are-collapsing-before-our-eyes/2017/07/26/ae32e112-7239-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8story.html?utmm_term=.a87ef2d5f832

Gumpendorf · 27/07/2017 09:29

It's really strange watching Trump when the UK has a history of debate and discussion in Parliament. It's like no opposition member can talk and debate with him and hold him to account - at least in the UK, the Prime Minister does have debates in Parliament.

It's a relief, orlantina. I was concerned when May was pushing for a landslide victory to remove opposition crush the saboteurs but relieved that the UK public still have the opportunity to say 'hang on'.... for now 😊

Gumpendorf · 27/07/2017 09:32

Let's not forget Betty

Trying to work out where Mad Men came into it ... then wondered about HMQ GrinGrin

Lweji · 27/07/2017 09:34

See? You had already forgotten about Betty.

There should be a US Secretary watch too. To keep track of what they're all doing.

Gumpendorf · 27/07/2017 09:40

thedcbrokemybank. Thanks for posting the Atlantic article. It really brings the pieces together and Bill Browder must be a very brave man to go public on this now.

Gumpendorf · 27/07/2017 09:53

Interesting perspective. I'm not sure of the motivation of Rogue POTUS but I'm also reaching a similar conclusion.

http://potusstaff.com/why-we-lost-to-president-trump.html

In the past few weeks circumstances have reached a point of full saturation. The revelation of the Donald Trump Jr. emails, and subsequent Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting, was a do-or-die moment. Historians will look back to that event and point out that from that point forward, nothing else would truly matter. For those of us who hoped to eliminate the Kremlin's influence over the White House, the past couple weeks were a final stand. Reinforcements never came. And now it's too late to do anything more. The President has won in every way that matters. The country has accepted his treason, his incompetence, his corruption, his embarrassing circus, and his contemptible agenda. There will still be fights. There will be skirmishes won and skirmishes lost by both sides. But the big picture will remain the same. President Trump will be in power, he will remain in power, he will continue to consolidate his power, he will use that power to personally profit at the nation's expense, he will hand over sweetheart deals to the Kremlin, he will cripple the workings of our government with his inept leadership.

lionheart · 27/07/2017 09:53

Long sorry tale.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/06/trump-putin-and-the-new-cold-war

lionheart · 27/07/2017 09:59

Don't worry about education under Betsy, Trump has it covered.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/343947-trump-donates-second-quarter-salary-to-education-dept

PerkingFaintly · 27/07/2017 10:03

Ohh, that Atlantic article about the Magnitsky Act explains a lot. I hadn't grasped how it all fitted together.

So according to that, Bill Browder ran an investment company in Russia. And after the trial of Khodorkovsky in 2003, the oligarchs started paying Putin a cut of their corrupt take.

In 2007 corrupt officials misused state powers to steal from Browder and divert to themselves £230 million tax paid by Browder's companies, and Browder hired a lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, to find out what had gone on. The officials arrested Magnitsky and he died in jail, having documented the abuse he suffered there.

Corrupt officials like to bank their ill-gotten gains somewhere safer than Russia, for example in real estate in the US. So after Browder raised the issue in the US, the US passed the Magnitsky Act to prevent this.

Because of his own ill-gotten gains, Putin "has a significant and very personal interest in finding a way to get rid of the Magnitsky sanctions.

"The second reason why Putin reacted so badly to the passage of the Magnitsky Act is that it destroys the promise of impunity he’s given to all of his corrupt officials.

"There are approximately ten thousand officials in Russia working for Putin who are given instructions to kill, torture, kidnap, extort money from people, and seize their property. Before the Magnitsky Act, Putin could guarantee them impunity and this system of illegal wealth accumulation worked smoothly. However, after the passage of the Magnitsky Act, Putin’s guarantee disappeared. The Magnitsky Act created real consequences outside of Russia and this created a real problem for Putin and his system of kleptocracy.

"For these reasons, Putin has stated publicly that it was among his top foreign policy priorities to repeal the Magnitsky Act and to prevent it from spreading to other countries. Since its passage in 2012, the Putin regime has gone after everybody who has been advocating for the Magnitsky Act."

Veselnitskaya and Akhmetshin of the Donny Jr meeting have long been part of the Russian govt effort to repeal the Magnitsky Act. And may be in breach of the US's Foreign Agent Registration Act for failing to disclose this.

And now the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday want to hear all about it, in the context of Foreign Agents Registration Act enforcement. Browder is scheduled to turn up, but the committee have also called Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr., and Glenn Simpson.

cozietoesie · 27/07/2017 10:14

Now what does this remind me of?

Trumps says immigrant gang members slice and dice young beautiful girls

cozietoesie · 27/07/2017 10:15

Sorry. Trump

orlantina · 27/07/2017 10:36

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#BREAKING: The DOJ says gay people aren't protected from discrimination under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act

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BoreOfWhabylon · 27/07/2017 11:58

Gekko interview:

On Russia
'We were political neophytes back in June of last year. Donald J. Trump Jr., who is a dear, personal friend of mine and I can attest to all of your viewers that he has done nothing wrong and he will be completely exonerated '

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 27/07/2017 12:14

And he's made a complete fool of himself over that whole 'leak' tweet. Which he has deleted. Grin

I know I shouldn't laugh but the comments on Twitter are hilarious.

And he's the Communications Director?

SMH

TheClaws · 27/07/2017 12:26

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 30m30 minutes ago
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Wow, the Failing @nytimes said about @foxandfriends "....the most powerful T.V. show in America."

So it's not FAKE NEWS now?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/07/2017 12:31

SCaramuccis interview on CNN is a debacle

mobile.twitter.com/i/status/890529654163083264

lionheart · 27/07/2017 12:38

Oh dear.