To think it will serve some smokers right if outdoor smoking is banned

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Yesterday a friend and I were sitting outside a cafe in a park (no indoor seating) having a coffee. We were the only people there as it was late in the afternoon. A couple sat at the table right beside us and proceeded to light up and enjoy a couple of cigarettes with their coffee.

I was sitting at the bus shelter a couple of evenings ago and a guy sat down beside me and proceeded to light a cigarette. I got up and walked a few feet away and stood until the bus came. He just smoked away, oblivious.

There was a long queue at the ATM today as several in the area weren't working. A woman smoked away in front of me and around loads of other people as we all waited for our turn.

Surely, just because smoking isn't illegal out of doors, it doesn't mean smokers don't have to show any consideration of cop on towards others.

AIBU to think that some smokers (and I know it's only some) will have only themselves to blame if smoking out of doors is eventually made illegal?

Ollivander84 completely missing the point, vaping is not harmless to non smokers and as such should not be inflicted on them.

Smokers managed to abstain from cigarettes in long haul flights and designated areas have been created in airports. Do the same in restaurants and cafes. Tolerate it in the street, but not in public meeting places. Banning people from smoking/ vaping where people eat will not increase the number of smokers, what a ridiculous thing to say.

I am not vilifying vaping, I am pointing out to articles telling you that it's not harmless, stop denying it is. It's less bad for a smoker, it's not harmless for a non-smoker, and should not be encouraged!

Reducing the number of smoking areas has drastically reduced the number of smokers. Let's keep going, it has worked quite well so far.

Around a billion people will die prematurely from smoking this century. Imagine the lives saved if they all swapped from tobacco to vaping.

Well, that's not great either - smokers dying early is a great boon for the planet.

I'd just like to avoid smoky hair.

It will never be banned outside. If they can't smoke outside then where the hell can they smoke?

In their own house. Their filthy repulsive habit, they get to deal with the smell

coddiwomple - vaping is not harmless to non smokers and as such should not be inflicted on them.

You're just wrong.

International peer-reviewed evidence indicates that the risk to the health of bystanders from exposure to e-cigarette vapour is extremely low. This is in contrast to the conclusive evidence of harm from exposure to secondhand smoke, which provides the basis for UK smokefree laws. The evidence of harm from secondhand exposure to vapour is not sufficient to justify the prohibition of e-cigarettes. Managers of public places and workplaces should ensure that this evidence informs their risk assessments.

Public Health England

Long term health effects of EC use are unknown but compared with cigarettes, EC are likely to be much less, if at all, harmful to users or bystanders

Action on Smoking and Health

We believe e-cigarettes shouldn’t be banned in enclosed public spaces by legislation as smoking is.

British Lung Foundation

At present, we do not believe there is enough evidence to justify an indoor ban on e-cigarettes.

Cancer Research UK

etc.

Although, I think it is really inconsiderate to smoke near other people but smokers probably have no idea how horrible it is. Afterall they choose to inhale it in the first place.

It will be totally banned one day and those who think otherwise are naive. Years ago people would have argued that it would never be banned in pubs etc but it was and it was a huge success. Not only did the number of smokers start to rapidly decrease but it had an impact on the health of non-smokers. Until then I don't think people really appreciated how passive smoking damages health.

As the number who smoke further decreases, public support for a ban will increase. The amount raised in taxes will also further decrease too so a ban won't have much impact on public finances. It might be banned in outside public places first so people can only smoke in their houses but eventually, smoking will be banned altogether and/or replaced with e-cigarettes.

brilliant.

low risk doesn't mean "no risk" or "harmless". You have just confirmed my point. I did say I disagree with the no indoor ban. If nothing else, it's just basic manners. Most people take their mobile outside to make a call, at least in decent restaurants, at the very least smokers should do the same.
Vaping is revolting, it stinks and I am not comfortable with this amount of chemicals in my baby's face. It's not illegal to change a nappy in a cafe either, but most parents refrain from it!

You have also conveniently ignored all the articles stating the ill effects of vaping.

You have also conveniently ignored all the articles stating the ill effects of vaping.

I haven't conveniently ignored them, I just know they are bollocks. I've been reading them for about 4 years now. PHE examined all the evidence for their 2015 report. Nothing published since has changed their conclusions.

I am not comfortable with this amount of chemicals in my baby's face.

Hahaha brilliant

Although, I think it is really inconsiderate to smoke near other people but smokers probably have no idea how horrible it is. Afterall they choose to inhale it in the first place.

Yes, and this is why smokers and non-smokers will never see eye to eye.

I don't mind vaping at all, I even like the smell. Crucially, it doesn't cling to me.

I don't like the smell of fried food and obesity kills. So can we also ban cooking smells please?

Everyone knows it's unpleasant to be on a train or bus when someone near you starts eating a McDonalds or KFC. Because it smells. It's exactly the same thing for me as when someone lights up next to you in the outdoor seating area of a cafe or restaurant.

Despite Mission's claim that this is "dramatic" I really don't think it is. If you dont believe that cigarette smoke smells unpleasant to non smokers, and that this becomes deeply unpleasant when you're eating/drinking, I think you're deluding yourself.

I don't mind people vaping either TipTop, some of them smell really nice. It's a world away from the acrid, dirty smell of cigarette smoke, for me.

Everyone knows it's unpleasant to be on a train or bus when someone near you starts eating a McDonalds or KFC. Because it smells. It's exactly the same thing for me as when someone lights up next to you in the outdoor seating area of a cafe or restaurant.

A fair analogy and I venture most people would feel a bit awkward eating KFC or similar on a crowded commuter train. Not to say it's illegal or not done, but impolite.

I don't mind people vaping either TipTop, some of them smell really nice. It's a world away from the acrid, dirty smell of cigarette smoke, for me.

Yes! It's also not smoke. Which makes a big difference.

I missed it!!!!!!!!
Again!!!!!!
Damn you real life......

One of the chemicals in eliquid is used in baby wipes. Another is used in soap. Food flavourings make up the rest. There's no tar.

I'm not too worried about them in vapour form.

It will never be banned outside. If they can't smoke outside then where the hell can they smoke?

They can smoke in their own home, smoke e-cigarettes or perhaps even give up smoking. Why do you think it will never be banned. I don't know how old you are but if you are old enough to have witnessed the massive change over the last few decades I don't think a total ban would seem so far fetched. In the 80s, noone could imagine a ban in pubs and yet it happened. Rather than pubs losing business it just meant that smoking declined and there was also an unexpected big decrease in heart attack. It was win win really as would a total ban be.

Rather than pubs losing business it just meant that smoking declined

Don't think that is strictly true, many pubs have closed since the smoking ban.

iea.org.uk/blog/whos-killing-the-british-pub

"The UK’s smoking bans correlate more closely with the collapse in pub numbers than any other factor and it is now widely acknowledged that the ban has damaged many pubs"

The UK’s smoking bans correlate more closely with the collapse in pub numbers than any other factor and it is now widely acknowledged that the ban has damaged many pubs

Many would disagree and it is certainly debatable, particularly as non-smokers have stopped going to pubs as much too. There certainly wasn't the sudden decline anticipated.

Pubs have died because people have stopped drinking and driving and drink at home instead. It may well that a few people also stopped going out because they want to smoke, but I suspect the fact that drink driving has become so socially unacceptable has played more of a role.

As for vaping, I do not want clouds of anything blown in my face. Why would anyone try to justify that?

I heard a seemingly credible segment on R4 about the decline of the pub and the rise of drinking at home - it's not related to the smoking ban as I recall. It's more about the grocery wars and tantalisingly cheap alcohol that makes it too strong a case to stay home.

Besides, there are huge numbers of non-smokers who would stay home if they had to re-adapt to smoking in pubs. The ban was nothing short of a revelation for us - going home smelling clean. That ship has sailed and there's no going back.

I remember when the smoking ban was being introduced in Ireland, and people were convinced it just wouldn't work, it would be widely ignored etc etc

It worked brilliantly.

I think it will eventually be spread out to cover more areas. With smoking banned in most indoor spaces, non smokers are becoming less and less tolerant of smoke being blown around them at bus stops, in beer gardens, playgrounds etc and I can see the smoking ban being extended to cover a significant number of public spaces that are out of doors.

Of course they want to live in a world where everything they don't agree with is banned. Only if it's what they don't agree with mind you.

YABU -

You wanted it banned in restaurants. It was banned in restaurants.
You wanted it banned from inside, so they compromised and got smoking rooms. Not content with that, you got it banned indoors.

Now people are smoking outside, ad it still isn't good enough. I don't smoke, never have. I hate the smell but I suck it up because other people have the right to do it. They are not being rude, or blowing it in your face! Jesus!

They are not[...]blowing it in your face!

Sorry, but sometimes they are, albeit unintentionally. Often in places like restaurant terraces where tables are close together.

It will never be banned completely, neither will alcohol

They are not being rude, or blowing it in your face! Jesus

But sometimes they do. Sometimes they do so intentionally (especially if the non-smoker shows any degree of discomfort), sometimes they simply don't care and sometimes it is carried on the breeze. Was at an outside venue recently and two people finished their meals as ours arrived. They lit up and puffed without giving a care that they were ruining our meal.