To pull someone up on their incorrect use of grammar in the classroom of children?

[biebersLadyLabyrinth]

I'm working with another TA (new to this job) until the term breaks and we're not getting on. I used to be a parent at the school and thought she didn't mind me as I wasn't a fussy parent (she's always had the reputation for being a bit scary-this said by children and parents alike but she was good to mine and our paths rarely crossed)

She's very cool with me which I can handle and furthermore if she doesn't like me no problem as long as we can get the job done.

She keeps criticising my using certain phrases like "splendid" or "Cheese and Crackers" as a child-friendly expletive even "marvellous" bothers her. This said, I've heard her over and over incorrectly speak to children. When one little boy told her his mum doesn't like him to say a phrase in that way-he was chided and told her way is perfectly ok.

I'm tempted to say something to her but worry she'll get a bit nasty.

Meh. Typing punctuation is a bit of a faff.
Some people need to be more aware of their literacy than others, and be more conscientious about checking their resources.
I'm not talking about the TA in the OP. More the gleeful highlighting of a missing comma when someone says they are a teacher on a thread.

I have a rogue comma in my last post if anyone wants to borrow one!

*should clarify, the bizare origins refers to some of the rules that are part of standard English now but actually didn't exist until a group of grammarians decided to invent them a couple of centuries back.

Sadly, any informed discussion about language variation is almost always pointless when people believe that anyone who uses any regional langauge and doesn't error check forum posts is an idiot.

More the gleeful highlighting of a missing comma when someone says they are a teacher on a thread

I did put a smiley face in though...and said sorry at the same time.

MaisyPops

Yes, yes, yes - I am aware of all that.

However, your wittering about regional English shows that you have misunderstood. Do you have a chip on your shoulder?

I think you do. I have just read a more recent offering presented by you, @MaisyPops

Today 21:19 BasketOfDeplorables

I have a rogue comma in my last post if anyone wants to borrow one!

Teehee

nina2b
However, your wittering about regional English shows that you have misunderstood. Do you have a chip on your shoulder?

My point about regional English doesn't show misunderstanding at all.

The idea that there is a 'correct' and 'incorrect' way to speak has come up on this thread and it was even suggested that another poster should be always on duty with her langauge as a teacher. It had also been suggested that people either 'know' correct forms or don't and they can't 'switch it on and off'.

In which case the point about knowing when to use regional forms vs standard English forms is entirely relevant when combating the judgemental attitudes on this thread.

Should people in education settings use standard english? Of course.

Does that mean people can get on their high horse about how other people are idiots for using regional forms when appropriate? No.

I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I just dislike snobs who think they are superior based on sneering at people's online langauge.

Are you a teacher?

Are you a teacher nina2b?

So are you saying that "I should of done that."is a regional way of speaking which someone is choosing to use? That seems insulting to people who may wish to use correct English, at all times. Once you know something is correct, surely you don't use an incorrect form, ever?!

Just because someone has a "regional" accent does not mean they will use ungrammatically correct English and pass it off as dialect!

Yes. Not that my job had anything to do with my view of langauge.

I use standard english in the classroom and model high quality academic writing and speech. Just like in my former career I used standard English in stakeholder meetings etc.

Just like I am more than capable of using/not using regional phrases as appropriate.

In my area 'you was', 'I seen' and 'yous' are common and they irritate the life out of me. Equally, 'ket' for sweets, 'scran' for food are used regionally. I tell my students that they are non standard forms and correct their use in the classroom. I wouldn't get on my high horse about how their langauge is wrong as long as they use standard english appropriately.

Just because someone has a "regional" accent does not mean they will use ungrammatically correct English and pass it off as dialect!
But dialect IS non standard vocabulary and grammar. That's my entire point.

You can speak standard English with a regional accent.

Dialect is vocabulary and grammar linked to an area. People in my region aren't idiots because we say something is 'canny'. It's just non standard vocabulary so I would never use it in written work and I don't allow it in my classroom

There are plenty teachers on this thread, I think...

I don't use dialect at all and never have. That does not make me a "snob".

Anyway gotta go, guys. It's been scintillating.

'Should of' is a difficult one, as it is so widely used that it could very well become dialect, if it isn't already. Plenty of standard words and phrases are based on things being misheard.

I don't use dialect at all and never have. That does not make me a "snob".

Standard English is a dialect. It's the standard one. Everyone has an accent and a dialect.

Not speaking in a regional dialect doesn't make somebody a snob. Choosing to look down on others for doing so and assuming that they lack the capacity to alternate between langauge varieties is what makes a snobby attitude.
Should of' is a difficult one, as it is so widely used that it could very well become dialect, if it isn't already.
Should've is perfectly correct though when spoken at speed 'should've' sounds very much like 'should of'.
I correct my students if they write 'should of' ans make them write 'should've or should have', but don't if they say 'should've'.

I would have laughed in her face if she'd told me parents would be unimpressed a splendid!
I know that's not an option What does the teacher say?

That's not what I asked nina2b. I asked if you were a teacher. Is that why you're leaving?

I wasn't referring to you Orlantina.

However, since you have brought it up, it does slightly make me channel my inner Carolyn Knapp-Shappey.
"When you say 'no offence', do you, in fact, know what that means?"

What would Douglas say back?

Not to Douglas. Nancy Dean-Liebhart.
Qikqiktarjuak.
No u after q, since we are discussing literacy...