Charlie Gard Case 5

[LovelyBath77]

A new thread to follow on from the others about this case.

I think some of the comments on people's writing skills are offensive and are going too far.

Please if you want to report anything and undertake your own witch hunt, do it privately without whipping up any frenzy here. Some of the posts are just vindictive and very spiteful.

Just the kind of posts people are complaining about from the mob.

So far these threads have been measured and compassionate. I hope it stays that way, otherwise someone will report the thread and it will be shut down.

As nurses we aren't allowed to give out opinions as we are supposed to be non judgemental.

All she needs is a quiet word in her ear and reminding of professional standards. they start training at 18 , she may be in her first year and not developed her professionalism yet, that comes with time and experience. A facebook message reminding her of her professional code would be enough to put the wind up her and remind her of her code of conduct.

Can we stop with the 'offended of milton keynes' type behaviour. Up to know this has been a reasonable discussion, whipping people up to ruin someones career before its even got started smacks of flaming pitch forks

CA are a bunch of stupid assholes, but I see little reason to report that nursing student to their university.

Today 16:52 TheSlowLoris

As nurses we aren't allowed to give out opinions as we are supposed to be non judgemental.

Thank you. That's what I imagined.

I would usually agree that mocking people's writing skills is unkind, I hate seeing it done on MN. But if you are putting yourself up as an armchair expert who knows better than the dedicated professionals caring for Charlie then the fact that you can't even string a sentence together becomes fair game.

Agree please don't report people [unless what they say is truly horrendous and inciting some horrific crime] - CA are doing what they think is right, however uneducated and misguided their position may be. Personally picking on people stoops to their level - best ignored.

If the university is anything like the one I worked out it is highly unlikely they will kick the student out. Despite raised student fees, government cutbacks mean they will be too desperate for money to do so.
I imagine they will talk to her about professional standards and online behaviour and possibly give her a warning.

Working or training in the NHS means you need to be impartial and circumspect in your social media trail.
Would anyone really want an illiterate thicko as their nurse?

DS2 is a student nurse. One of the very first things they get taught is what you can and can not post on social media.

He's got opinions on things but he never posts them and he's even got his Facebook set up so that if I, or anyone else, shares something to it he has to approve it before it goes on.

Today 16:57 stitchglitched

I would usually agree that mocking people's writing skills is unkind, I hate seeing it done on MN. But if you are putting yourself up as an armchair expert who knows better than the dedicated professionals caring for Charlie then the fact that you can't even string a sentence together becomes fair game.

Exactly. Many of the CA people have the audacity to be thoroughly offensive about the medical staff at GOSH. People on this thread, in comparison, are circumspect.

Thank you hurtle

Imaweeble Now I really am lost for words.

So many good, measured views being expressed here in a sympathetic but realistic way - this is one MN thread I hope the papers DO pick up on.

I'm not at all denying the seriousness of The Code to which we adhere as Nurses and Midwives, and I'm not suggesting that the comments are not out of place. However, I do think that the motives behind reporting such behaviour are as important as the intention to stop the behaviour, and I think that the motives have moved on from concern. Instead, it seems that some posters want to 'teach these people a lesson', and whilst they couldn't do so if they hadn't breached guidelines in the first place, it still doesn't sit right with me that you would intentionally destroy a career because someone has carelessly said that they don't understand a very complex situation, which most of the nation doesn't understand, and even the courts have had to grapple with. What that student nurse needs, is an opportunity to talk, and a reminder of how the Code applies to online communications, which is unlikely to happen if a formal complaint is made by a member of the public.

Is it really fair to be sending screenshots to universities? Some of these students are actually really very young and their naive compassion may simply have got the better of them, without the benefit of the balanced viewpoints a forum such as this has to offer. If she's posting that, and let's face it, it wasn't personal attack, then she's probably saying it, so someone can challenge her about it

And it is drummed in to them from day one be able to justify what you write, well at least it was to us. Our tutors would fail your whole essay for writing some incorrect ie: The cannula had tissued (commonly used term for a tube slipping out of the vein and the fluid is going in to the tissues) the correct term is extravasation. So you could have written the best essay in the world, and once they saw that, instant fail.

I still go 'If it's not written down it didn't happen and you have to be able to defend what you've written'

And while she may be 18, the average age of a first year nursing student is 28.

Plus depending on where she is in her training she will have to do an ethics module: but ethics are mentioned at every stage.

On a personal point, how can any one seriously look at pictures of this poor child and see a healthy child?

However, I do think that the motives behind reporting such behaviour are as important as the intention to stop the behaviour, and I think that the motives have moved on from concern. Instead, it seems that some posters want to 'teach these people a lesson',

100% agree.

I'm glad other posters are saying this about the reports to employers. This is what I was getting at earlier when a member of police staff was reported for using the angry face icon.

It's so easy to use the wrong "like" that the angry face could well have been in error anyway.

I understand what people are saying about a witch hunt although I don't agree with it.
If things go against C&C tomorrow this situation has the potential to escalate badly.
Death threats have already been made. I don't believe they will be acted on but there is always the possibility for violence, however remote, if crazies get involved.
I believe this thread is caring and supportive in their concern for Charlie and his parents.
Reporting threads inciting harm or violence towards GOSH and members of the legal profession may not have any effect whatsoever but while there is a small chance it may I will continue to so.
After all I am not reporting anyone on mn. This is completely separate and done through my fb account.

How lovely. Some people seem determined to detract attention from the main issue.

If that student nurse wants to talk about it, she's got the whole of her cohort to talk to, her flatmates, her family, her tutors and mentors. She knows full well that you don't go on to social media, on a public page, and make comments like that.

The age thing is a red herring. DS2 was 18 when he went to uni, he was in the minority. He still had to abide by the rules and regulations. If he couldn't/can't do that then he doesn't deserve to be there.

At the end of the day, it is understandable that we feel the way we do, its not a good situation and either way nobody wins, it is a baby, and lots of us have been through expeirences where we have have to let loved ones go the way that Charlie will, and that I think and for Charlie himself, is why people can get a bit het up about it and thats me included.

A few years ago one of my students posted something offensive online about the University and, in particular, one of our research groups. It was reported to me by another student and I had a quiet word. I think that one of the main problem with young people and social media today is that they seem to treat it like they are talking in the bar with all their thought processes spelt out for the world to see - not thinking that anyone can see it.

Maybe CA are a similar phenomenon and that they are just not thinking through the consequences of their typing.

I believe this thread is caring and supportive in their concern for Charlie and his parents.
Reporting threads inciting harm or violence towards GOSH and members of the legal profession may not have any effect whatsoever but while there is a small chance it may I will continue to so.

I agree with your stance on this. It has also been impression that posters have been fair and restrained here. It concerns me, however, that some people on the CA forum - who should definitely know better - are being downright nasty.