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AIBU to want to continue to work part time once re-married

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TwattyvonTwatofTwatsville · 10/07/2017 09:55

Long back story, please be patient!

I am divorced, with two children, aged 14 and 11. Youngest starts high school in September.

I was a stay at home mum once my eldest was born, (worked full-time up until then) up until ex husband left me 4 years ago when I have been working part time since. I have worked in a few jobs in the last four years, have tried to work around the kids as much as possible, for around 16-21 hours a week.

I am currently working part time and also doing some online training with the view that I can get a better paid job after the summer.

I have been very lucky to have met and fallen in love with a wonderful man, also divorced. He is amazing in many ways, kind, good with my children, great fun and gorgeous. He asked me to marry him earlier this year and I was delighted. We plan for him to move into my house around November / December this year, and will get married at some point next year.

Now..the question of finances has come up and DP had assumed that when my youngest starts high school that I would then get a full time job to maximise my financial contributions to the 'pot'. I don't want to.

My ex is a high earner and I get a considerable amount of maintenance from him, in line with CSA guidelines. On top of this I had envisaged working part time, 3 days a week. My total contribution to the 'pot' would be a not insignificant £2000+ per month, net. On top of this I own the house that myself and new DP would be living in. There is a mortgage on the property, but not excessive.

DP came away from his divorce with nothing other than he kept his pension - all equity went to the ex wife. He has saved a sum of money and could in theory use that as a deposit and buy his own house (and so put off us living together for a number of years) but his mortgage would be huge - likely double what mine is. On top of that we would have two sets of bills etc between us. I have done the maths, produced spreadsheets and we would BOTH be considerably better off financially living together in my house with me working 3 days a week as I planned to. Plus we could afford to make overpayments on the mortgage with a view that we could pay it off much earlier.

I manage comfortably right now on what I get from my ex and my earnings. I can pay my mortgage, car, bills, kids clothes / clubs and still have money over for a modest holiday once or twice a year. I am not well off but want for nothing.

My children are getting older BUT they are still kids. They bicker a lot at times. My eldest has a serious medical condition which she manages brilliantly for the most part, but I have often had to leave work to do an emergency dash to her school to drop off supplies etc that she has forgotten. Or to pick her up if she is having a shit day with it. She is 14 and makes mistakes, like any kid.

Their Dad is great, but works in a demanding job and is often away travelling. I have no family to help with childcare, ex's family live abroad. My friends all work part time and are in the same boat. In short, I do all the day to day childcare / running around / taking to and from clubs/ looking after when they are poorly etc. If I worked full time I would have to leave both children alone for many days at a time in the school holidays (their high school is a state school but has longer days and therefore longer holidays - summer holidays are 8 weeks long!)

My new partner was badly burned by his ex-wife who spent lots and earned nothing, and then again by his divorce which saw him having to start all over again financially. From his perspective he doesn't want history to repeat itself - he earns a very good salary and would like me to maximise my earnings. But we could have a very nice, comfortable life with my working 3 days a week. I see this as a good compromise, with the view that of course I will increase my working hours as the kids get older and can be left for longer.

As an aside - it goes without saying that if I HAD to work full time to bolster the family coffers then I would - if something happened to him or his work. I just don't get that I should just for the sake of having more disposable income when we would already have a great standard of living (in my opinion). I'm not particularly materialistic. New partner is more so.

AIBU and lazy cow?

OP posts:
Berthatydfil · 10/07/2017 10:00

Don't get married unless you get a deed of trust on your house to exclude it from joint assets.
You're the answer to his dreams - house and income, and he wants you to contribute more?
He wants you to put him first to the detriment of your children to maximise his lifestyle.
He sounds like he could turn into a cocklodger.

EdmundCleverClogs · 10/07/2017 10:02

Yanbu. It sounds like he needs to work though some issues before you move in together- you're not his ex wife! It sounds like your set up is currently working just fine.

It is your decision to work however you please. However, do you think this issue may resurface once the children are old enough for the maintenance to stop? Obviously that will reduce your overall income, is this something he's preempting?

Florriesma · 10/07/2017 10:05

He might be lovely but you don't sound like you know each other that well if his opinion is news to you.
Your priority quite rightly sounds like your dc. His priority sounds like money. I would argue he takes you as you are and he doesn't have the right to expect a change in parenting style from you. If he can't trust that you aren't going to take him to the cleaners this isn't a healthy relationship. Sorry.

Groupie123 · 10/07/2017 10:07

You worked part time previously because it suited your life then but won't even think of changing them now as your circumstances have changed. New partner wants you to work full time because he presumably doesn't want to support your expenses as he's learned his lesson with his ex.

Sounds like neither of you trust each other yet & aren't over the baggage in your previous relationships. Best to hold fire moving in together until you trust each other more.

(I personally think you should work f/t if you have split finances as you will be more financially independent - but if you do your share must be proportionate to your income, not equal to his, and all jt property/assets must be in joint names).

rizlett · 10/07/2017 10:07

Op you are totally correct to stand your ground on this issue. It sounds like he is being influenced by his past as you mention in your post.

I'd also have thought that if together you have a higher earning capacity maybe both of you could work less than you currently do and give you more time for fun things.

Somerville · 10/07/2017 10:09

Your thinking makes complete sense. Explain it to
your fiancé. If he has a problem with it then you need to delay him moving in and getting married.

With significant assets - and especially if you want your kids to inherit those, rather than your fiancé after you marry - you should get legal advice on possibility of trust or pre-nup, and to change your will.

Brittbugs80 · 10/07/2017 10:10

I'd definitely protect your house. Were you planning on adding him to the mortgage?

If you can afford to carry on working part time and want to, then do it.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 10/07/2017 10:11

If you will be better off financially by working full time rather than part time, why does he want you to work full time? It doesn't make sense.

SleepFreeZone · 10/07/2017 10:11

Why on earth are you marrying him when you can't agree on the finances already? You sound like you're in a great position at the moment. You are enjoying life and why the he shouldn't you? You don't need someone guilting you into working more hours when you are getting by very nicely as it is. Continue the relationship but keep your finances separate and let him get himself a flat.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 10/07/2017 10:12

I'll say that again coz I said it wrong

If you will be better off financial by working part time rather than full time, why does he want you to work full time? It doesn't make sense.

Sallycinnamum · 10/07/2017 10:14

FGS get a deed of trust before he even sets foot in your house.

If I hadn't of listened to my very wise dad who insisted I got a DOT before my ex abd I bought a house I'd be in dire financial straits now.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 10/07/2017 10:18

I think that if you are earning enough at the moment to run your house I would consider delaying/ not getting married so that it is easier to keep finances separate. Then you can both put in equal amounts, he can build up some money for a deposit and either buy a separate house or further down the line consider buying a joint house. Marriage particularly benefits SAHP of young children (as he has found out), unless you plan to have more children I don't think it would benefit you and you stand to lose more than he does.

Artisanjam · 10/07/2017 10:18

I agree with Bertha. I'd be very wary of someone with so much mistrust that they will effectively be given half a house and it still wont be enough.

Motherbear26 · 10/07/2017 10:21

I feel as though you have more to lose here. I would think very carefully before marrying again in these circumstances.

missiondecision · 10/07/2017 10:21

Romance and reality are not friends.
Please be realistic about how badly this could end. Your dp is already trying to assert some control over your working hours and you owe it to your children and yourself to protect your interests. If he really is a good catch he will understand.
Once you are married, half your house (your children's house) will/could be his.
Get proper advice.
I can't concede letting someone move into my house, and tell me how many hours I should work. It doesn't effect him.
You should not pool all resources these in circumstances .

Emily7708 · 10/07/2017 10:23

I notice you say "we" can make overpayments so "we" can pay the mortgage off much quicker. Do not involve him in your mortgage repayments - this is your house and you do not want him to have a claim on it. You really need to protect your assets for your children and yourself.

seventhgonickname · 10/07/2017 10:23

I would definitely protect your house if you are getting married or if it goes wrong he will get half.
If he wants security then he should buy a house and rent it out and not get married.
As for working full time,I do and have less to add into any pot than you do so stay as you are as it suits you and your children.Does he understand that you children are your priority?

Justaboy · 10/07/2017 10:27

omnia vincit amor!!

Best of luck anyways:-)

TwattyvonTwatofTwatsville · 10/07/2017 10:28

To those who have mentioned the house / mortgage / DOT - yes I have already thought of that and I would absolutely have a DOT to protect my children's inheritance before he moved in. I have brought that up, and he is fine with that.

The mortgage is in my name and has another 4 years tie-in, so nothing would change before then.

If we then sold and bought together, or stayed where we are and he was to come onto the mortgage I would absolutely protect the equity that I have.

We are talking tonight and I am going to reiterate that I am not prepared to work full time until the children are older. Unless I had to, of course.

OP posts:
Summerswallow · 10/07/2017 10:35

Why do you need to live together? It sounds like you manage your life admirably by yourself, and your children don't need a babysitter, so you can have some freedom, so why not just continue to date him? I don't get why forming a new 'family' is so desirable, and then he gets to decide stuff like how much time you then spend with your own children, or how much money you earn? Don't you just want to decide that stuff for yourself?

You could then live together when the children leave for college in seven years time max.

SlothMama · 10/07/2017 10:37

YANBU
Protect your house so he can't get his hands on it if you did split, it's up to you how you work. If you know that you can afford to live working part time then continue working part time!

If he doesn't like it he can bugger off

gamerchick · 10/07/2017 10:38

It sounds to me like you have a perfect balance in your life. It's tricky to have that so why push it?

Be firm, tell him the score and if he can't cope with that you'll put off the getting married thing for a few years. I wouldn't have him move in neither just yet if he's trying to rattle the cart. I don't blame him for his feels though but why should you have to make up for what his ex did to him?

thereallochnessmonster · 10/07/2017 10:38

Don't get married unless you get a deed of trust on your house to exclude it from joint assets. You're the answer to his dreams - house and income, and he wants you to contribute more? He wants you to put him first to the detriment of your children to maximise his lifestyle. He sounds like he could turn into a cocklodger.

This ^^

And also, he sounds like he isn't over his previous marriage. Too much baggage/resentment?

I'd hold fire on moving in together - and talk to him. Hope it goes well tonight.

Junebugjr · 10/07/2017 10:40

When I read your post alarm bells started ringing.
You are in a very good position at the moment, stable financially, have a good home/work set up that benefits you and your children directly, have your own home, have time to up your qualifications, seemingly a cordial relationship with your ex and children.
Putting aside all the lovely stuff you're getting from this relationship, you're taking hell of a risk, moving this chap in, when's he's already making sounds about you working fulltime when it doesn't suit your family life, making payments on the mortgage together so he may possibly have a claim.
He also needs to work through his issues from the past, although they seem suspicious as it lets him sound reasonable when he wants to make sure there's lots of money 'in the pot'.
I'm a suspicious person though Grin
Don't get carried away with the romance of this, you need to prioritise the needs and security of yourself and your children.
Like the other knowledgable posters have said, get a DOT on the house and make sure you are protected financially.
And tell him you've done it, and look at what his response is.
It will tell you a lot.

PaintingByNumbers · 10/07/2017 10:43

Why marry? Live together, see how it goes, keep finances separate, work as you wish. Dont rush this.

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