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AIBU to want to continue to work part time once re-married

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TwattyvonTwatofTwatsville · 10/07/2017 09:55

Long back story, please be patient!

I am divorced, with two children, aged 14 and 11. Youngest starts high school in September.

I was a stay at home mum once my eldest was born, (worked full-time up until then) up until ex husband left me 4 years ago when I have been working part time since. I have worked in a few jobs in the last four years, have tried to work around the kids as much as possible, for around 16-21 hours a week.

I am currently working part time and also doing some online training with the view that I can get a better paid job after the summer.

I have been very lucky to have met and fallen in love with a wonderful man, also divorced. He is amazing in many ways, kind, good with my children, great fun and gorgeous. He asked me to marry him earlier this year and I was delighted. We plan for him to move into my house around November / December this year, and will get married at some point next year.

Now..the question of finances has come up and DP had assumed that when my youngest starts high school that I would then get a full time job to maximise my financial contributions to the 'pot'. I don't want to.

My ex is a high earner and I get a considerable amount of maintenance from him, in line with CSA guidelines. On top of this I had envisaged working part time, 3 days a week. My total contribution to the 'pot' would be a not insignificant £2000+ per month, net. On top of this I own the house that myself and new DP would be living in. There is a mortgage on the property, but not excessive.

DP came away from his divorce with nothing other than he kept his pension - all equity went to the ex wife. He has saved a sum of money and could in theory use that as a deposit and buy his own house (and so put off us living together for a number of years) but his mortgage would be huge - likely double what mine is. On top of that we would have two sets of bills etc between us. I have done the maths, produced spreadsheets and we would BOTH be considerably better off financially living together in my house with me working 3 days a week as I planned to. Plus we could afford to make overpayments on the mortgage with a view that we could pay it off much earlier.

I manage comfortably right now on what I get from my ex and my earnings. I can pay my mortgage, car, bills, kids clothes / clubs and still have money over for a modest holiday once or twice a year. I am not well off but want for nothing.

My children are getting older BUT they are still kids. They bicker a lot at times. My eldest has a serious medical condition which she manages brilliantly for the most part, but I have often had to leave work to do an emergency dash to her school to drop off supplies etc that she has forgotten. Or to pick her up if she is having a shit day with it. She is 14 and makes mistakes, like any kid.

Their Dad is great, but works in a demanding job and is often away travelling. I have no family to help with childcare, ex's family live abroad. My friends all work part time and are in the same boat. In short, I do all the day to day childcare / running around / taking to and from clubs/ looking after when they are poorly etc. If I worked full time I would have to leave both children alone for many days at a time in the school holidays (their high school is a state school but has longer days and therefore longer holidays - summer holidays are 8 weeks long!)

My new partner was badly burned by his ex-wife who spent lots and earned nothing, and then again by his divorce which saw him having to start all over again financially. From his perspective he doesn't want history to repeat itself - he earns a very good salary and would like me to maximise my earnings. But we could have a very nice, comfortable life with my working 3 days a week. I see this as a good compromise, with the view that of course I will increase my working hours as the kids get older and can be left for longer.

As an aside - it goes without saying that if I HAD to work full time to bolster the family coffers then I would - if something happened to him or his work. I just don't get that I should just for the sake of having more disposable income when we would already have a great standard of living (in my opinion). I'm not particularly materialistic. New partner is more so.

AIBU and lazy cow?

OP posts:
Kittychatcat · 10/07/2017 11:51

You met your DP very quickly after your marriage ended. How long has your DP been divorced and how quickly did he meet you? Some people jump into a new relationship much too quickly instead of spending time on their own and just enjoying single life for a while. It sounds like your DP isn't fully over his previous marriage.

If you are currently getting spousal maintenance, I would not move this man in until your children and his are much older. Blended families and previous divorces often lead to a huge amount of stress.

YANBU to keep working part time if that is what suits you and your circumstances. YWBU to go back full time just because DP tells you to.

Lilyrosesunshine · 10/07/2017 11:52

Along with budget planning for changes in maintenance once kids 18 etc how do his kids and your kids get on?

Kittychatcat · 10/07/2017 12:08

Don't underestimate how much conflict can be caused by being married or living with someone who is much more materialistic than you. You need to think very carefully if this relationship can survive such huge differences in your attitudes to financial matters.

TwattyvonTwatofTwatsville · 10/07/2017 12:08

Yes, I know I did meet him very, very quickly after my marriage ended.

Friends who know me well voiced concerns at the beginning, (about me jumping straight into a new relationship) but we have taken things slowly, and only very recently have become engaged and now planning on living together. We get on very, very well and the same friends who voiced concerns and warned caution would be the first to say they have never seen me happier, and that we are made for each other.

DP had been separated for almost a year when we met and was in the process of getting divorced. However, the divorce was acrimonious and dragged on far longer than mine. He ended up getting his Absolute after me.

His son gets on very well with me and my children.

He also has a daughter who is sadly currently estranged from him who we don't have contact with.

OP posts:
TeachesOfPeaches · 10/07/2017 12:25

OP it sounds like you have the perfect life, I don't think you should marry or move in with him for a good while yet.

It probably works because you have regular time away from each other and don't argue over bills and chores and you aren't trying to 'blend' your families.

harshbuttrue1980 · 10/07/2017 13:36

My view goes against the grain, but I would expect that, in a relationship where neither partner has a disability and where any children are of school age or above, both people should work full-time to maximise earnings and security for the family. I work long hours and it would irritate me to have a bloke hanging around at home while I work hard.

5moreminutes · 10/07/2017 13:43

harshbuttrue why should someone who is already totally self sufficient whilst working part time work full time when they don't want to or need to? For most people there is more to life than money.

Your irritation is your problem, and anyone already self sufficient and happy with their work life balance would be nothing more than a pathetic people pleasing simpering door mat to give up their happy and independent work life balance because them being happy and having time to support their kids instead of perusing the maximum possible amount of money irritated their partner!

Mymouthgetsmeintrouble · 10/07/2017 13:53

Alarm bells would be ringing for me im afraid , hes not even moved in and hes trying to dictate how much you contribute and your hours of work, he could be financially abusive and you have potentially a lot to lose , i would not be happy with him coming into the relationship assetless yet wanting to dictate your contribution when its your home anyway

DancingLedge · 10/07/2017 14:22

And there's an estranged daughter.

Maybe that's for no reason that he is to blame for.
Maybe.

MimiSunshine · 10/07/2017 14:45

What about a middle ground?

He moves in, you get married and ensure your house is considered a legally separate asset for you and your children's protection.
He doesn't contribute other than to food and bills etc and buys his own property that is then rented out?

He could therefore buy somewhere cheaper where the rent would cover the mortgage so he has his own asset which is protected legally for him and his children's protection.

Should in any number of years time you decide to move house and buy somewhere together, you could then each protect say half the equity of both houses for your respective children and use the other half to buy together?

In the mean time you stay working as you prefer for yours and your children's best interests.

TwattyvonTwatofTwatsville · 10/07/2017 15:50

Thanks all.

We have have a chat on the phone today, I have stated my case and he accepts that for the foreseeable future I will want to work part time, for all the reasons I have stated above.

I have a solicitor friend who will draw up a DOT and DP very happy to sign.

Talking more tonight (and going over spreadsheets - joy!) but we have agreed in principle.

He may well buy his own property separately and then rent out so he has his own bricks and mortar investment.

Glad most of you agree that what I was proposing wasn't lazy, but best for the children at this current point.

I know lots of you work FT and juggle kids etc, and I take my hat off to you, and if I had to I would, but feel that we are in a pretty comfortable position as things stand currently.

Best,

Twatty

OP posts:
Firesuit · 10/07/2017 16:07

Don't get married, organise your finances as if you were sharers.

What divorce lawyers regard as fair is very different to what anyone who pays their own way through life regards as fair. Getting married virtually eliminates any chance that you will have some control over how your finances are split.

(I too would like to know how a DOT is relevant to a married couple.)

HipsterHunter · 10/07/2017 16:10

Why are you marrying him!

You have a home, and are financially stable.

He has virtually noting except a massive hang up about women taking all his money.

5moreminutes · 10/07/2017 16:14

MimiSunshine your compromise has the man moving in with the OP and living there rent free, allowing him to be far better off with no rent to pay and to buy BTL which will cost him nothing at all because it will pay for itself in rent. He'd be sitting very pretty indeed in that scenario, whilst the OP would be supporting him financially with a rent and mortgage free place to live, and paying for the joy of sharing her bed because she'll lose some of her maintenance if she moves him in! I do believe that may be the definition of a cocklodger...

saoirse31 · 10/07/2017 17:02

Really don't see what the need to get married is. You're putting your financial position at risk, you're bringing a 'father figure' into the house with two youngish teenagers I think u said? Someone whose in your house on and off is hugely different from someone living in.

What is the actual benefit in marriage to u?

alltouchedout · 10/07/2017 17:08

Where has this idea that he's a freeloader come from? Confused

You don't sound particularly suited to living together/ being married at this point. And that's fine. You can enjoy being a couple without making any big changes.

swingofthings · 10/07/2017 17:12

I agree with harshbuttrue OP is not self reliant but mainly reliant on her ex who happens to be in a position to provide a high maintenance.

Like many mum's I would love to work PT especially as I have always worked FT even when my kids were little but I consider that it is my responsibility to participate fully to the pot when I am able to.

I know that this is one of the reasons why my OP thinks highly of me. Either of us could work PT and still be able to do ok financially but why should one do so and not the other when ultimately the children are old enough to not require childcare any longer?

TwattyvonTwatofTwatsville · 10/07/2017 17:43

swingofthings - that is your choice to work full time with kids. As I said before, I have no support from family, and my children have 8 weeks off in the summer holidays, 3 weeks at Xmas and Easter plus longer half terms.

They are 11 and 14. They bicker. A lot. One of them has a serious medical condition.

So if I work FT, what do you suggest I do with them 5 days a week for 16 + weeks of the year when they are on school holiday?

Childcare would cost more than I would earn.

I don't think it is ideal for kids to be 'latch key kids' if there is any alternate at all.

I do have an alternative. It is working part time until they are a bit older.

OP posts:
WineGummyBear · 10/07/2017 18:01

It sounds like he's trying to get your nose to the grindstone to atone for his ex's 'laziness' (if lazy she was). And expecting you to fund the lifestyle he perceives he has had taken from him.

You have excellent security and balance in your situation and will be contributing handsomely to the union. Is he really asking you to contribute more at the expense of your children and quality of life?

MimiSunshine · 10/07/2017 19:40

@5moreminutes OP said he was left with nothing from his marriage other than a pension. They'd be getting married so in theory all put the properties would be a family pot which he seems keen for them both to maximise, he also has his own children to support.

Any woman moving in to a mans house he was keeping legally separate from her would be advised on here not to pay anything towards the mortgage and to buy her own property to keep separate too.

WankYouForTheMusic · 10/07/2017 20:19

Yanbu to keep working PT if that is what suits you and you have sufficient to be able to pay your share of any costs. It makes not two shits of difference whether some of that comes from child maintenance or not. Nor are the situations and preferences of others relevant to you.

I do think keeping finances somewhat separate at least for now sounds like a good idea. That means not marrying yet but seeing how the move in goes and a DOT. And it's a good idea about him buying somewhere of his own too, or making some other significant investment away from the family home.

crocodilesoup · 10/07/2017 20:26

The OP will have two extra days a week to do housework, shopping, admin, prepare school stuff, supervise homework, run about to clubs. Anyone thinking this means she isn't making a good enough contribution should give their heads a wobble.

crocodilesoup · 10/07/2017 20:27

That is mainly in response to swingofthings post.

rizlett · 11/07/2017 07:26

swingofthings

Either of us could work PT and still be able to do ok financially.

There are plenty more things to appreciate in life than work. Perhaps you and your dp could both work less and enjoy life more. Take a leaf from op's book. Grin

Fishface77 · 11/07/2017 07:36

How did your talk go op?
I think he sounds awful in regards to finances and would never marry someone when he could fuck up my kids financial futures.
They would come first.
What's wrong with living together?
Please seek legal and financial advice.
And I agree with working part time.