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Charlie gard case thread 2

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Fancythat69 · 08/07/2017 20:22

The last thread is full, Not sure if another has been started.

Theres a CA rally at GOSH planned for tomorrow. What are these people on?

Charlie gard case thread 2
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TheFairyCaravan · 09/07/2017 10:09

Apparently the parents are joining the protest outside GOSH today 😡

JaneEyre70 · 09/07/2017 10:10

I don't have a lot of legal knowledge about this case, and other ones similar that have happened in the past but I'm assuming that in the most drastic outcome, the parents could be removed from the hospital and LS ended that way? Do you think the parents have been advised by their legal team that this could be a possibility?

Ellie56 · 09/07/2017 10:12

Apparently the parents are joining the protest outside GOSH today 😡

That is outrageous. They love the media attention more than their child.

CloudPerson · 09/07/2017 10:12

That's not what I meant, sorry. I agree they have handled things well.
In the eyes of Charlie's parents and CA though, they have acted dishonestly and are wanting to withdraw care from a child that they see has a chance of recovering.
From the point of view of the mob, who are able to say whatever they like as noisily as they can about this case without consequence, whatever happens now will be evidence of poor care (even though it isn't), and emotive, twisted headlines are not helping GOSH at all, when they've done nothing wrong.

muckypup73 · 09/07/2017 10:13

TheFairyCaravan, would you not want to spend every second with your dying child? as opposed to protesting? what do they think they are going to acheive? its bloody cruel what they are doing, b all and end all. he should be removed now, made a ward of court, hospital do what they need to too and thats it.

7Days · 09/07/2017 10:13

That's only the view of the .CA Cloud. And they will have lost interest before too long.
Everybody else understands the reality

user1498911470 · 09/07/2017 10:14

Apparently the parents are joining the protest outside GOSH today

There goes my last shred of sympathy for them.

MidnightAura · 09/07/2017 10:14

I've been following this case (and thread) and having now checked out the GOSH Facebook page, I am horrified at some of the comments in there by CA! Who are they to say doctors and nurses should be ashamed of themselves? How can they say with absolute confidence that Charlie is in no pain?

The latest picture of Charlie is very sad. I'm not a medical expert but he does not look like a baby that is showing signs of improvements.

I have sympathy with the parents truely. But I don't think they are doing the best for their son anymore and it pains me to write that.

I do feel having Charlie gard merchandise including phone covers, baby bottles and air fresheners is all kinds of wrong. My sympathies go out to the nurses and doctors at GOSH as well, they don't deserve the abuse they are getting.

Ellie56 · 09/07/2017 10:16

Jane They aren't listening to the doctors, so maybe they aren't listening to the legal team either?

Presumably, Charlie could be made a ward of court, if he isn't already.

Riversleep · 09/07/2017 10:17

I agree that sadly I think gosh will come out of this badly, despite them acting at all times in Charlies best interests. When he does, with or without the treatment, it will be their fault in the eyes of the parents, the ridiculous CA and people who read the Sun and the Mail who are whipping this up for their own gain. I can only hope fish's severely depleted funds will be replenished so that they can help other sick children. CA will forget all about Charlie and probably start campaigning against designer babies- the only proven chance the Gards have of having a healthy child. The Vatican and Trump certainly will.

DorotheaBeale · 09/07/2017 10:18

To the posters asking why the need for another thread? why are we still discussing this here? what's the point? Well IMO it's massively important that somewhere there's some bloody sense being talked.

I agree. I think it's useful to have a place to discuss the medical information (as much of it as is in the public domain) and the legal issues. There'll no doubt be more to say on Monday after the court case.

If it was a case of the media intruding on a grieving family I would probably agree that there should be no further discussion here.

But this story is all over the newspapers, the internet and television talk shows because Charlie's family has put it there. They have published pictures of him in his hospital bed. They are the ones who have breached his privacy. Us not discussing it here would not change that.

I don't think we here can be making anything worse by discussing it in a polite and respectful way, which the last two threads mostly have been.

GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 09/07/2017 10:19

moobeana you've used the phrase 'removal of care' twice in your post.

Care will not be removed, Charlie will continue to receive care until he dies.

TheFairyCaravan · 09/07/2017 10:19

mucky I wouldn't be leaving him if he was my son, no. If they do join the protest I think a lot of people will change their views on them.

JaneEyre70 · 09/07/2017 10:20

So I would assume that if Charlie was made a ward of court (which I don't think he seems to be given the judgements so far), Doctors would be able to withdraw the ANH and that could be a possibility tomorrow?

Sostenueto · 09/07/2017 10:23

Yes I said that a while ago about being a ward of court. Surprised if he isn't one already. He really should be one in which case the parents will lose all parental rights. They really should have done as the last court said on that day. By giving in to the parents it looks like Charlie is not a ward of court yet, maybe after Monday he will be. Devastating case but like a previous poster am losing sympathy for the parents. There is no dignity whatsoever in this case. Poor, poor child.Sad

muckypup73 · 09/07/2017 10:27

Someone should start a protest, Charlie die with dignity.

Sostenueto · 09/07/2017 10:30

Charlie will receive pallitive care till the end which basically means they will keep him as pain free as possible and allow him to slip away peacefully. I don't think it will be a long process given Charlie's present deterioration.

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 09/07/2017 10:31

Can't see this protest ending well..just gana be a huge shouty mob especially if the parents are there just wip the crowd up more

Ellie56 · 09/07/2017 10:31

And presumably being made a ward of court would stop any of the American citizenship nonsense too.

RMC123 · 09/07/2017 10:31

With the vast majority of people I don't think GOSH will come out of this badly at all. Charlie's Army likes to think it is speaking for the public but I believe it has less than 100,000, which, in the context of the wider public is a tiny proportion. Everyone I have spoken to about this in RL think that GOSH are in the right. They have sympathy abound for the parents but they don't think they are right. Also the fact that they have recruited only one obscure celebrity (Linda Robson) and Nigel Farage reflects this. No serious commentators are coming out in support for Charlie.
All GOSH are doing is looking after the best interests of a very sick child, whilst looking after hundreds of others too. I don't see how anyone sane could have anything but total respect and admiration.

ememem84 · 09/07/2017 10:32

I've just sit read the thread(s) and had a look at the CA Facebook page. Interesting to note that while a protest has been organised so many of CA's followers can't make it....I doubt there'll be many people there.

I can't imagine what his parents are going through but it strikes me that no one wants to hear it. Fly him to America for treatment? The journey could kill him. If you're not willing to let him go in one of the most renowned children's hospitals with top experts why willing to let him travel and put him at such risk?

The mob mentality also scares me. But then it makes me sad. Two people were protesting our local hospital yesterday. Two people didn't make much of an impact.

They asked me to sign a petition. I asked what for (fair question) then found out it was for this. I was told "for Charlie" and asked (probably cheekily) if the two ladies knew him? They said nonbut they'd been following on Facebook and thought it was a disgrace that the dh wasn't treating him. That treatment was being held back. And that if jeremy Corbin had won the election this would never have happened. (Were Channel Islands self governing nothing to do with NHS or the gen election here). Seemed surprising that people were so passionate about people who they'd never met.

CaveMum · 09/07/2017 10:33

I've just been on the GOSH Facebook page (I refuse to go on the CA page) and am shocked by the level of vitriol, ill-informed and downright nasty comments.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/07/2017 10:37

Apparently the parents are joining the protest outside GOSH today

I really, really hope this turns out to be nonsense, and that they wouldn't be this unwise Hmm

And when these "experts" have presented their "new evidence", won't GOSH be asked for an update on Charlie's condition too? If there's been a massive deterioration, I'd have thought that might affect the judge's decision

goodbyestranger · 09/07/2017 10:38

Ellie Trump hasn't said a dicky bird about Charlie in the past couple of days, or am I missing something? Presumably TM put him right on a few facts and he doesn't think there's any personal gain to be made and possibly a loss, so he's moved on.

muckypup73 · 09/07/2017 10:41

I was actually reading a page that someone put a link too on a previous page, it was American and then out of interest I scrolled down and read the comments anda lot of Americans had the veiw of look after our own and not the English and they were really taking the piss out of us Brits.

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