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to ask how you cope if you can't have children?

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ohbigdaddio · 04/07/2017 12:40

Just that really...did you adopt? Or have you accepted it and has your life taken a new, fulfilling direction? Do you ever really get over it? Or are you still finding it difficult years later?

DH and I have been TTC for nearly a year and a half, got another negative pregnancy test result this morning, both feel very down and deflated and considering giving up. I feel really numb today and not sure what I want to do next.

Not sure we can cope with emotional highs and lows (well, mainly lows!) for much longer and it's all we think about.
Age is not on our side, I'm 38, approaching 39 so not really got time to have a break from it all. Next step would be IVF, obviously with no guarantees.

Would love to hear any positive thoughts on a child free life, especially if you really wanted children at one point.

OP posts:
Joinourclub · 07/07/2017 15:41

I longed for kids and tried for a long time to have them. I now have two. To be very honest my life is not always 'better' with them, just different. I don't regret having them at all, I love them very much, but now I have them I realise how much I have given up and I wonder a bit why I was so very very desperate to have them! But there is no way I would have wanted to hear anyone with kids, tell a child free me 'Oo you're lucky, you can go out whenever, go on holiday wherever, spend your money on yourself, lie in at the weekends, have a tidy house, relax after work, have adult conversations, eat what YOU want for lunch, watch the telly you want, just put on one load of washing a week, find time to exercise and keep up with your hobbies, see your friends, live in a flat in the town centre, drive a sports car, retire early' . I just would have felt patronised and I wouldn't have believed it.

TheVeryThing · 07/07/2017 15:41

I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.
I haven't experienced infertility so I won't presume that I know how it feels but it doesn't take a genius to work out how insensitive many, if not most, of these posts are.
What the fuck is wrong with people? I am irrationally angry on behalf of the posters who have shared their stories of heartbreaking grief, to be told that they should just adopt, or just relax and it will all work out.

Are some people really that stupid or are they just in such a hurry to share their pearls of wisdom with the world that they don't stop to think, even for a nanosecond?
bananafish81 and everyone who has suffered infertility without a happy ending, I'm so sorry for the shit that you've had to listen to. I know it's not the first thread like this and I'm sure it won't be the last.

thatsnotwaynesbasement · 07/07/2017 15:42

If it's something you want that much, then make it happen somehow. Adoption or donor eggs. There are options. If you don't want to settle for a child-free life, then don't.

Well that's OK then. Ladies, close the thread, we have our answer!

EarlGreyT · 07/07/2017 15:48

TheVeryThing. Thank you. You may not have experienced infertility, but you do have sensitivity and empathy which appear to be rare qualities on this thread.

thatsnotwaynesbasement · 07/07/2017 15:48

everyone who has suffered infertility without a happy ending

I'd like to add here, for the sake of the OP, that infertility can have a happy ending. I'm proof of that. It's not an easy point to get to, as the multiple posts here show, but you can be happy without children. You won't have the life you thought you would, but happiness, fulfilment and enrichment comes in many forms. You just have to find the form that fits for you.

Wishing you all the best OP. I'm leaving this thread now because the loonies seem to be out in force today.

TheVeryThing · 07/07/2017 15:54

thatsnotwaynesbasement, I meant without having a baby at the end but you are right to correct me. I think your story is what the OP most needs to hear.
I think that many of us (and I'm sure I've done it too) are really bad at supporting people in ongoing situations that are not easily resolvable, like infertility, bereavement, chronic illness etc.
We desperately want to believe that everything can be fixed, and in our rush to offer solutions we forget to listen properly and acknowledge what people are going through.

WarmFeetAreLovely · 07/07/2017 15:57

I'm unable to have children due to buggered fallopian tubes. Several rounds of IVF resulted in 2 pregnancies, one of which was a traumatic ectopic and the other was only a chemical pregnancy.
It took me a while to come to terms with it.

Strangely the one thing that helped was a slightly early menopause. Having the door slammed (and locked) was easier than it left ajar. Knowing that your really can't get pregnant doesn't stop the disappointment that the predictable appearance of a period brings.
We're now late 50s, our marriage weathered this. Would it have survived the upheaval of children - I don't know.
We have financial security and freedom that many other people envy.

I'm happy.
I truly am.

ProzacAndWinePlease · 07/07/2017 15:59

There are posters on this thread who've clearly stated valid reasons for why they can't adopt - eg. long term illnesses. Many people who might cope well with their own children will not fulfill the criteria to become adoptive parents.

They also don't sell donated eggs in Tesco, and even if they did, that would not help everyone get pregnant. Not everyone's issues are to do with the quality of their eggs/sperm.

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ohbigdaddio · 07/07/2017 17:13

ExConstance I have no problem at all with people saying they adopted...In my OP you can see I asked whether people adopted/remained child free etc etc.

OP posts:
SnickersWasAHorse · 07/07/2017 17:15

I was just setting out the options I would try and I have a family member who has children by donor by IVF so yes I know large amounts about these issues

That's like saying 'my friend is black so I know exactly what suffering racist abuse is like'.

I love the term 'fertile-splaining'. Although I had to explain the conception process to a friend who was a mother of two!

ohbigdaddio · 07/07/2017 17:21

My objection to Leilaniii's comment was that it sounded very flippant and insensitive and she wasn't sharing her personal experience, just telling me if I don't want to be child free then don't be! (As if it's as simple as that.)

This is entirely different to a story somebody is sharing about themselves and their life after infertility.
Hope this makes sense. Adoption is a totally valid experience to share.

OP posts:
redphonebox · 07/07/2017 18:31

I hope it's ok to post here as I am not childless. I just wanted to say I have found this thread fascinating and horrifying in equal measure and I am genuinely quite shocked at some of the insensitive responses from people who have never been in the OP's situation.

I have a couple of friends who are struggling with infertility and this has been a really helpful insight into what they are going through and the sort of crap they might have to put up with from others.

It's really made me think and hopefully be a bit more sensitive myself in future as well. Although fortunately I am not in the habit of telling childless people that in their situation I'd "just adopt/relax/try harder/try less hard" etc etc so I am a step ahead of certain posters!

bananafish81 · 07/07/2017 18:54

@TheVeryThing @redphonebox thank you so very much. Your empathy and sensitivity is very, very touching and so very much appreciated

Thank you also @stopfuckingshoutingatme - I'm really militant about being open about our experience of infertility and miscarriage, because I believe that unless we talk about it, how on earth are people expected to know how to support us?

These words by Jody Day, the founder of Gateway Women, massively spoke to me this week :

^As a culture, we’re pretty uncomfortable with unfix-able things. We like to believe that if we have enough data, make smart decisions, throw enough money and a really positive attitude at anything, it can be solved. There is also an unspoken but pervasive fantasy that if we’re ‘a good person’ things will work out for us in the end; a fantasy that persists in spite of the fact that not only do bad things happen to good people, but really great things happen to horrible ones!

So this perhaps leaves a lingering unspoken idea in people’s minds that childless women either ‘did something wrong’ or, even worse, that they ‘are something wrong’.

Internalising this guilt and shame can be profoundly corrosive to a woman’s identity just at the time in her life when she may feel acutely adrift from her ‘womanhood’, and struggling to get her head and heart around what it means for her to be a woman if she can’t be a mother. Often, at the very moment when she’s most in need of empathy, compassion and understanding from friends, family, acquaintances and colleagues, instead she’s met with silence, banter or judgement. Her grief becomes an unspeakable thing, both for her and for others.

For many of us, childlessness turns out to be one of life’s unfixable things. And no, adoption doesn’t ‘fix’ childlessness. It’s an entirely different way of bringing children into your life, and not one that every woman or couple has the mental, emotional, familial and financial resources to even consider, let alone accomplish right now. It involves taking on the grief and trauma of a vulnerable child just at the point when you’re quite possibly in the worst shape of your life to do so. To every parent who says to a childless woman or couple, “Why don’t you just adopt?” (I love that ‘just’!), perhaps the answer needs to become, “I’m a physical, financial, spiritual and emotional basket-case right now, so I think I’ll pass, but if it’s so easy and such a fab idea, why don’t you adopt?!”^

www.tommys.org/stillbirth-and-neonatal-death-stories/childlessness-after-miscarriage-untold-story

Tawdrylocalbrouhaha · 07/07/2017 19:03

Apologies if anyone has already recommended these books but Silent Sorority by Pamela Tsigdinos, and Rocking the Life Unexpected by Jody Day (founder of Gateway Women) are well worth a read. Both books written by women who have come to terms with not having children and really explored the issues with other women in similar circumstances.

SnickersWasAHorse · 07/07/2017 19:06

This is an amazing listen too.

I heard this not long after the end of my only pregnancy. It really helped me.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04d4p0b

Lucysky2017 · 07/07/2017 19:09

Snickers, were you suggesting I should not post on the thread because I have a child. I spent a lot of time with my sibling, provided IVF support at my home, helped choose the anonymous donor or at least had a say in it, went to the scan. Whilst I am not married to my sibling and I do have a child I don't think I am wrong to be on the thread nor have I said anything nasty or unhelpful. I don't agree giving input on this thread if you do happen to have given birth means we are like white people saying we know all about the black situation because we have one friend who is black.

bananafish81 · 07/07/2017 19:14

@Lucysky2017 I'm still not sure how your experience of your sibling's IVF helps the OP's question of how to cope with an involuntarily childless life after infertility

Could you please explain?

It's great you know all about donor IVF

People on this thread know about lots of things equally unrelated to how to cope with life after infertility

How exactly are your posts making a positive contribution to the OP's question?

You have a child so I'm not sure how you're qualified to share your own experience of coping with involuntary childlessness?

Zippybear · 07/07/2017 19:35

Was your sister successful in having a child lucy? Were you a donor?

NotMeNoNo · 07/07/2017 19:41

I haven't RTFT so shoot me Smile. We adopted in our mid 30s after about 6 years TTC. The DC are lovely but very hard work and particularly challenging as teenagers with emotional baggage surfacing. "Previously looked after children" tend to be complicated.

I am happy with the choice we made but I know we could have decided the other way and had a child free life and many other opportunities and been happy too. I know couples who've done that.
I honestly think there's no wrong choice, don't have regrets but live your life and love your DH whatever you choose.

You do need a thick skin because the things people say are awful when you are unsuccessfully TTC. I remember when it was so raw I could hardly walk past a primary school. I had some very good friends and in the end was able to celebrate their babies with them.

If you are thinking about adoption I recommend reading No Matter What by Sally Donovan. Her story is very common but she tells it well IYSWIM and it's a pretty good description of both the approval process and the challenges of parenting.

Lucysky2017 · 07/07/2017 20:18

Z, it was her egg and a sperm donor (not my egg).
"Cery down and deflated and considering giving up. I feel really numb today and not sure what I want to do next."
In the context of that original post people offering help on what to do next in a kind and considerate way is just what MN is good at.
My uncle and his wife could not have children. They had a good life. They did things the rest of the family could not - took off to Tasmania, worked out there, bought a second property there. We had a lot of people in the family in the generation before that who never had children quite happily. I think that's always been so even back int he 1500s plenty of women even chose not to to avoid the downsides of it and went off to live in convents even. It's been a valid choice and sometimes a necessity for women.

I suppose the most important initial issue is when to decide to stop trying for a child and that is a very personal decision for each person.

Zippybear · 07/07/2017 20:35

Well lucy, with respect, as much experience as you you feel you may have of your sisters successful donor sperm ivf, you are still a fertile person with children, with a sister who ultimately had a child. It's really a million miles from where a lot if us on this thread are. And a million miles from a discussion on how to cope if you can't have children.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 07/07/2017 20:40

This thread is reminding me of
My friend that had a terminal illness . Her grief at never having had a child was deep and profound and I suspect I never properly acknowledged it . It think we discouraged her for the right reasons but I feel bereft as with hindsight I could have been more empathetic to her grief . But she was so fucking sick that took all the attention and of course her final days and months would have been worse knowing she was leaving a toddler . But still Sad I wish I read this thread 5 years ago . Fuck fuck fuck

Thanks for making peace back Margaret a rare thing in this snake pit Grin

Zippybear · 07/07/2017 20:43

And yes the most important issue is when to stop trying. This is probably the hardest decision for any couple and made harder by people who haven't been in your shoes telling you they would have tried much harder and never given up. We are 4years into invasive tests, multiple operations, ivf, and our lives on hold. In that time we have also experienced death, illness, job loss... hard doesn't even cover it. There comes a time when you have to say I can't do this anymore, I need to stop putting a hypothetical child (who may never exist) first and give myself a break. Ongoing infertility / repeated failed ivf is a stress I could never have understood if I hadn't been through it. The best thing to happen to me and dh in years is deciding that we are giving up our own bodies/ivf. We haven't decided the next path yet but please don't make us feel bad for trying hard enough

twirlorwispa · 07/07/2017 20:49

I don't normally post as to be honest I still find the pain of infertility so incredibly acute. However, I wanted to say thank you, OP, for bringing this topic up. Many posters have hit the nail on the head; infertility can be one of those 'not talked about' topics and I'm aware that I'm very guilty of that myself!

I've found it so helpful to hear from others whose story didn't end with children. And also I feel a massive sense of relief hearing from others in the same position that I don't have to ditch my job, write a book and travel the world, just because I can't have children. It's ok to eat Doritos whilst watching telly!

Thank you for your insights at a time when I've been feeling really lonely.