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The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump

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TheClaws · 01/07/2017 05:34

Time for a new 'un.

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2958743-Its-too-hot-for-high-drama-but-nonetheless-we-persist-Trump-cont

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cozietoesie · 04/07/2017 00:05

I'm always interested, Gump, in who isn't in the media headlines. Smile

lionheart · 04/07/2017 00:11

You did a noble thing there, Sleip.

Gumpendorf · 04/07/2017 00:46

It's late cozie, so you are going to have to explain 😊

cozietoesie · 04/07/2017 01:23

Best not. Sleep tight. Smile

saffronwblue · 04/07/2017 01:57

An Australian investigation into Trump's dodgy dealings with Indonesia.
www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-03/donald-trump-business-dealings-in-indonesia-four-corners/8669888

I can't bear his intervention into the sad, sad Charlie Gard case. Almost what I hate most about him is the over simplistic approach to complex problems.

AcrossthePond55 · 04/07/2017 02:01

Gump IIRC it was obstruction of justice that brought Nixon down and also what caused B Clinton to be impeached. And a RICO indictment would certainly be considered a 'high crime or misdemeanor', enough for an impeachment hearing. So hopefully one or the other will be provable.

On other matters, as far as the treatment Charlie Gard would have gotten here? It would entirely depend on his parents financial status.

If they had money and good insurance (either private, employment, or ACA) he probably would be exactly where he is right now. They would have tried everything possible but reached the conclusion that it's for the best now to let him go. Money and good insurance don't buy miracles. Unless his parents were extremely wealthy, they'd probably now be facing financial ruin. Even with good insurance there are usually copays running to 20% of the costs and I'm sure that by now his care has run into the millions.

If Charlie were on Medicaid (low income insurance) he would have received excellent care at the hospitals that take Medicaid but many doors would have been closed to him as not all places take Medicaid. He may or may not have qualified for care at a charitable hospital, such as St Jude's which never charges families for care. Sadly, he probably would have been 'let go' before now.

Either way, it's a tragedy for his family and I wish them strength and peace at this time. For Scrotus to hand out some bullshit false hope that he may be able to arrange for Charlie to come to the US in order to 'make points' is so cruel that, IMO, it should be a crime against humanity. Especially since you know it's going to result in 'Oh, so sorry, no can do' and Scrotus will twist it somehow to being the Dems or Obama's fault due to the ACA.

TheClaws · 04/07/2017 02:35

(CNBC) I've also seen it tweeted via AP.

www.cnbc.com/2017/07/03/north-korea-launches-missile-nearing-japan-reports.html

Another North Korea missile launch.

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TheClaws · 04/07/2017 03:10

The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 5m5 minutes ago
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North Korea fires another missile amid rising tensions with the U.S.

'The missile took off from the Banghyon airfield in the northwestern town of Kusong and landed in the sea between North Korea and Japan, the South Korean military said in a statement. Military officials were still analyzing flight data to determine what type of missile had been used in the test.

'It was the first missile test by the North since launched land-to-sea cruise missiles off its east coast on June 8. Under a series of United Nations Security Council resolutions, North Korea is banned from developing or testing ballistic missiles.'

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TheClaws · 04/07/2017 03:27

Now, this is definitely something from the other side of the divide for our new friend. I do post these infrequently but this one, dated today, is titled DFRK Calls for Implementing Three Principles of National Reunification. It would seem reunification of North and South would only be on their terms, though, and to punctuate that, they let off a missile. (Apologies for length, but it is worth the read for the war-language alone).

Pyongyang, July 4 (KCNA) -- The Central Committee of the Democratic Front for the Reunification of Korea (DFRK) issued a statement Tuesday, the 45th anniversary of the July 4 joint statement.

Thanks to President Kim Il Sung's patriotic decision and wise guidance, high-level political talks were held between the north and the south of Korea in 1972, for the first time in history of their division, at which the three principles of Korea's reunification--independence, peaceful reunification and the great national unity were declared

The birth of the July 4 joint statement provided the Korean nation with the most correct guidelines for carrying out the cause of independent reunification, and enabled nationwide reunification movement to dynamically advance along the coordinates of victory, while foiling all sorts of obstructive moves of the separatist forces at home and abroad, the statement says, and goes on:

Whoever is concerned about the future of the nation and wishes for the new future of a reunified country should not remain an on-looker to the situation of the north-south relations that have faced the worst catastrophe and tension but more courageously turn out under the immutable banner of the three principles of national reunification.

The DFRK Central Committee clarifies the following stand, reflecting the ardent desire of all Koreans for the improved north-south relations and the country's reunification, out of its heavy responsibility for the destiny of the nation:

  1. The forces submitting and kowtowing to the U.S. while going against the nation's aspiration and desire for the earliest reunification of the country under the uplifted banner of national independence should be wiped out of this sacred land.

The deplorable situation, in which outsiders lord it over half of the land of the country and inflict all sorts of disaster and sacrifice on the Korean nation although more than 70 years have passed since the division of its territory at the hands of outsiders against the nation's will, eloquently proves that the road of independence is the only way out for the reunification and the national prosperity.

That's why we Koreans, never tolerated the traitors who sacrifice the nation's dignity and interests in pursuance of outsiders, being subservient to the U.S., but dealt heavy blows on them.

The present south Korean chief executive who is leaving the records of submission to the U.S., while abusing the power granted to him by the candlelight demonstrators, being oblivious of this lesson of history, should clearly understand that he can never be exceptional.

What dialogues can be exchanged and how will it be possible to hold hands for the solution of the reunification issue with those who are so much worried about courting displeasure of his master and who take every careful step even on their own land so that their steps would not fall out of their master's steps.

No matter how many times the regimes in south Korea are replaced and whoever holds power, nothing can be expected and can change unless the policy of dependence on foreign forces is replaced by the policy of giving priority to the nation and the old concept of submission and flunkeyism toward the U.S. is replaced by the idea of prioritizing the nation. This is a serious lesson we have drawn once again.

  1. We have to deal heavy blows at the warmongers inside and outside who are bringing escalated tension and crisis of a nuclear war to the Korean peninsula through reckless military actions, in defiance of the fundamental principle of peaceful reunification.

The puppet warmongers, who turned south Korea into the biggest powder arsenal in the Far East and an advance base of a nuclear war for threatening and blackmailing the fellow countrymen with nukes, in defiance of the nation's cherished desire for peaceful reunification, are making desperate efforts to shift the responsibility for the escalated tension on to the DPRK side, faulting its measures for bolstering the capabilities for self-defence whenever opportunity presents itself and shelving their own cursed crimes.

The south Korean authorities should not run amuck, clearly understanding what catastrophic consequences will entail in case they are inveigled into the outsiders' attempt for a nuclear war.

We have got ourselves fully ready including the ability to mount precision strike to target even the eyes of all sorts of enemies, after putting in place the deterrence for showering the U.S. with bullets and shells of justice any moment. Yet, we are making all possible efforts for the peaceful reunification of the country as we do not want to see the land of the nation getting enveloped in the flame of war and the whole nation getting embroiled in the holocaust of a war.

The starting point for the genuine peace on the Korean peninsula is the aggressor U.S. imperialists' withdrawal from south Korea with all lethal weapons with them, not the DPRK's "nuclear dismantlement", and the first step toward the peaceful reunification is for the south Korean authorities to lay down the arms leveling at the DPRK and responding to the DPRK's measure for defusing military tension. They should pay heed to this advice.

  1. The whole nation should pave a wide avenue to reunification by its concerted efforts after resolutely doing away with the evil practices of confrontation and hostility that block the nationwide trend toward the great national unity.

Even though differing ideologies and social systems have existed in the north and the south for scores of years, there can not be any reason for them not to get united if they put the national commonness and co-interests above all, and the north and the south can certainly hold hands as companions in the road for reunification.

The difference between the ideology and social system can not be a reason for the same fellow countrymen to distrust and stand in confrontation and isms and interests of classes and strata can never be an obstacle preventing the nation from achieving unity. This is our principled stand.

But the south Korean authorities, shunning such good faith and effort shown by the DPRK, hold their hands with outsiders standing against national reconciliation and unity and incite mistrust and stand-off while faulting the north over the nuclear force, tantamount to a treasure common to the nation, and the non-existent "human rights issue". How can the smooth development of the north-south relations be expected?

The great national unity is a short-cut to reunification.

Invariable is the will and faith of the DPRK to open up the new horizon of independent reunification in closer unity, however desperate the separatist forces at home and abroad may get.

We will hold hands with anyone who values the nation and courageously turns out for the solution to the reunification issue, but we will neither compromise nor pardon those who still take to the path of treachery, not away from the old concept of sycophancy toward the U.S. and confrontation with the fellow countrymen.

The statement stresses that the DPRK will as ever fulfill its noble mission and responsibility in improving the north-south relations and achieving the independent reunification in line with the requirements and interests of the nation, while consistently holding fast to the three principles of national reunification and their embodiments north-south joint declarations. -0-

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TheClaws · 04/07/2017 03:49

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 27m27 minutes ago
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North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life? Hard to believe that South Korea.....

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 22m22 minutes ago
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....and Japan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move on North Korea and end this nonsense once and for all!

I have to say it ... POT KETTLE! And - he clearly wants China to take the lead on this one.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/07/2017 06:00

I have to say it ... POT KETTLE! And - he clearly wants China to take the lead on this one.

Probably another issue which Trump has realised is "more complicated" than he first thought. Also, sounds like someone has successfully explained it would be a very bad idea to start a war with NK as ge's slightly less gung-ho now...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/07/2017 07:49

Seth Abramson @SethAbramson
You think Trump knows Japan has no military and South Korea wouldn't act militarily without us--i.e. that this is an indirect threat of war?
(2) In context, Trump's reference to a "heavy move" by China can only refer to military action--which makes his tweet doubly inappropriate.

lionheart · 04/07/2017 07:57

If someone managed to convince him I will count it as an unexpected victory (except for that thing about Trump believing the last person to whom he has spoken about any issue).

TheClaws · 04/07/2017 08:53

I read a statement saying that Rex Tillerson was "dismissive" of the North Korean test. So the two don't quite match up there.

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cozietoesie · 04/07/2017 09:35

Look on the bright side. (Yes - even me! Grin)

NK has mentioned the 'reunification word' several times in a speech. That's what is important, I think. Ignore the rest of the turgid text - which must have fair choked your device, Claws. Wink

KJU could just have been provided with the 'golden road'.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/07/2017 09:52

Trump's meeting Putin in four days and this is a useful recap of the Trump/Russia news so far:

The Trump Russia political crisis: a timeline in breaking news www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/the-trump-russia-political-crisis-a-timeline-in-breaking-news-982780483789

BossyBitch · 04/07/2017 10:53

While I'm not in favour of NK missile tests for what I hope are obvious reasons, the nothing better to do comment seems just a tad ironic from SCROTUS, who's apparently got nothing better to do than tweet childish insults ...

Does that man have any sense of irony?

cozietoesie · 04/07/2017 11:21

No. I don't think he has much sense of anything.

Given the possible alternatives, I don't mind his approach though. (But then, I never expected to make June let alone July. Smile)

lionheart · 04/07/2017 11:26

Is it wrong to find Maddow relaxing?
Must be to do with the order and control she brings to the proceedings and maybe the fact that she almost looks as if she wants to shout 'WTF???!!!' but never does. Smile

Good to have a review though--even when you look back over these threads we have made, it is quite astonishing.

TheClaws · 04/07/2017 11:39

Cozie, while the NK text is clearly threatening (in a muscle-flexing way), as a writer, a admit I do like the phrasing Blush

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Orlantina · 04/07/2017 11:45

He's awake...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/07/2017 14:46

The current total of states refusing to hand over voter information is now 41 (and there are only 18 Democratic Secretaries of State in total so the majority are Republicans who are not complying).

lionheart · 04/07/2017 14:46

Hell's bells.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/07/2017 14:55

That sounds like a good thing, Pain. Like there is beginning to be pushback against the WH over-reaching. Is it not?

cozietoesie · 04/07/2017 14:58

I believe that Kobach himself said he couldn't comply - at least in full?