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The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump

976 replies

TheClaws · 01/07/2017 05:34

Time for a new 'un.

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2958743-Its-too-hot-for-high-drama-but-nonetheless-we-persist-Trump-cont

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BossyBitch · 01/07/2017 09:19

Shameless placemarking ...

Natsku · 01/07/2017 09:22

Checking in. Not had the stamina to follow the last thread so closely (pregnancy is exhausting me) but very grateful that I can check in from time to time to see what insanity is going on today.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 01/07/2017 09:37

Placemat king (with apologies for the Westminsterenders in-joke on a Trump thread).

TheNorthWestPawsage · 01/07/2017 09:37

Thanks for the new thread Claws
Did I see somewhere on the last thread that they may delay the summer recess? Is that going to happen?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/07/2017 09:41

m0stly sadly I think you're right. Any removal process of trump has to be rigorous and fair, and that means in being thorough it can't be overnight.

Any process used cannot be open to abuse by successive governments and cannot undermine democratic processes or you destroy exactly what you were trying to protect. The worry is that trump removes democratic processes quicker than they can be used to remove him, which is where everyone loses, including those that still support him.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/07/2017 09:49

I don't know if it's been confirmed

thehill.com/homenews/senate/338220-gop-considers-cancelling-august-recess-to-salvage-agenda

saffronwblue · 01/07/2017 09:55

It's weird being criticised for being a middle aged woman. Two characteristics I can't really change.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 01/07/2017 10:10

!! Kris Kobach—who co-chairs Trump's Election Commission—won't provide Kansans' SSNs, which his Comission requested.
twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/880907484315234304
www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article159113369.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/07/2017 10:24

I missed the numbers about this yesterday, apologies if it's already been posted:

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/06/30/dont-sugarcoat-this-trump-just-called-for-32-million-people-to-lose-health-coverage/

But Trump’s tweet this morning about health care actually does matter, a lot:

This is getting a lot of attention today, but mainly as a call for Republicans to adopt a particular legislative strategy. As such, it makes little sense: Republicans are struggling to find 50 votes for their current repeal-and-replace bill, with many moderates balking, so it’s hard to see how outright repeal could get a bare majority.

Beyond this, though, it’s worth taking Trump’s tweet as an actual policy statement. Trump has now called for total repeal of the Affordable Care Act, with no guarantee of any specific replacement later, or even a guarantee that any replacement would ever materialize at all.

It’s hard to estimate what would happen if Republicans did act on this and Trump signed it. Republicans probably wouldn’t be able to repeal some key portions of the Affordable Care Act — particularly its insurance-market regulations — via a simple majority “reconciliation” vote. But they could theoretically repeal things with a budgetary orientation, such as the individual mandate and the Medicaid expansion and the subsidies to lower-income people why buy insurance on the exchanges.

We can estimate the impact of repealing those things. Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office has already done so, when it analyzed a previous version of a GOP repeal bill over a year ago. And that analysis found that repealing those things would result in 32 million people losing coverage by 2026, 19 million of them people who would lose Medicaid coverage.

This is unequivocally what Trump has now called for. And it is substantially worse than what is currently being debated in the Senate, which would result in 22 million people losing coverage over 10 years, 15 million of them from Medicaid, per the CBO.

“When Republicans floated their repeal bill back in 2016, CBO concluded that 32 million people would lose coverage, relative to the current baseline, by 2026,” Nicholas Bagley, a health policy expert at the University of Michigan, emailed me today. “Fully 19 million people would be kicked off of Medicaid. Those coverage losses are even grimmer than the losses from the House and Senate bills that are currently under discussion.”

Whether Trump meant this or not, or even knew what he was calling for, are irrelevant. That’s because it could theoretically happen. In fact, conservative senators such as Rand Paul of Kentucky and Ben Sasse of Nebraska are actively calling on fellow Republicans to go forward with repeal alone right now. Sasse doubled down by tweeting an endorsement of Trump’s demand.

BiglyBadgers · 01/07/2017 10:29

It's weird being criticised for being a middle aged woman.

Complaining about all the middle-aged women on a mumsnet thread is a bit like standing in a bakery and railing against the predominance of bread on display. Clearly someone has missed the point of the site. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/07/2017 10:43
Grin
PlectrumElectrum · 01/07/2017 10:53

Bigly place mark, keeping all cake under wraps so the GF doesn't get fed anymore.

As you were, normal service resumed hopefully Smile

ElenaGreco123 · 01/07/2017 10:54

Quite Grin

thedcbrokemybank · 01/07/2017 10:56

I really don't understand why someone would come on this thread and atrack but refuse to contribute with any actual evidence. I would be really interested in alternative viewpoints but only if backed up with CREDIBLE source.

cozietoesie · 01/07/2017 11:01
Smile
PlectrumElectrum · 01/07/2017 11:02

I'd say that's the trump/trump allies MO - thrashing around in a sea of bullshit & lies trying to distract anyone from catching a whiff of what's actually going on. Classic deflection technique.

Lweji · 01/07/2017 11:06

But they could theoretically repeal things with a budgetary orientation, such as the individual mandate and the Medicaid expansion and the subsidies to lower-income people why buy insurance on the exchanges.

Whatever they call it, a repeal is in effect replacing the current bill with something worse.

Lweji · 01/07/2017 11:06

Meanwhile, gerrymandering gets the Nature treatment.

The mathematicians who want to save democracy
"With algorithms in hand, scientists are looking to make elections in the United States more representative."

This is not good for the US, surely:

"Gerrymandering has a long and unpopular history in the United States. It is the main reason that the country ranked 55th of 158 nations — last among Western democracies — in a 2017 index of voting fairness run by the Electoral Integrity Project, an academic collaboration between the University of Sydney, Australia, and Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Massachusetts."

www.nature.com/news/the-mathematicians-who-want-to-save-democracy-1.22113

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 01/07/2017 11:08

Ha ha... clicked on the Nature link and it comes with a pop-up saying "recommended for you" - and it's one of my papers! (Preens).

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/07/2017 11:12

That is preen-worthy indeed!

Lweji · 01/07/2017 11:12

As in you're Carrie, or your paper is quoted?

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 01/07/2017 11:16

No neither of the above Lweji - just that as part of its site it obviously trawls through cookies on your computer (in my case presumably cookies showing which academic journals I've looked at recently) so throws up pop-ups saying "you might also like to read this article in our stable of Nature journals". The article is completely unrelated to anything we're discussing here and nowhere near as exciting, sadly.

Lweji · 01/07/2017 11:18

I spotted it on the actual printed journal, which I received unexpectedly.
It also has an interesting article on recent findings about human evolution that I intend to read at some point next week.

AndHoldTheBun · 01/07/2017 11:32

Shameless place marking. Thanks for the new thread.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/07/2017 11:45

Maddow: Trump behavior hurts the presidency, but he doesn't care www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-trump-behavior-hurts-the-presidency-but-he-doesn-t-care-981068867877