Sat I hairdressers on two seater couch and other woman waiting is chugging on e-cig

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Just this really. I've got colour on waiting for it to take and as it's a small hairdressers (3 chairs) they rotate us whilst colour set etc. The woman next to me is chugging away on her e-cig. It stinks of some rancid sweet smell.
Why is it acceptable to whip these things out? I've noticed a lot that they are used in places where smoking is not allowed. I know my 2nd hand inhalation isn't going to cause me a great harm but it's making my teeth itch!

It's been inside someone smelly mouth.

So has every other atom in every breath you take. Quite a few of those atoms have even come out of someone's bottom. Maybe you should clingfilm your face, problem solved.

Oh right ItsAllGoingToBeFine so it's purely the smell that bothers you rather than any pollution or potential health risks.

Cow shit stinks. Let's ban cows. Sewage farms stink. Let's ban shitting. Angel and Alien perfume stink. Let's ban them.

Or alternatively get over yourself.

Actually, I think more research should be done into aerosol deodorants, air fresheners, etc. It's already known they are not risk free in terms of public health.

PencilsInSpace are you in the industry or have you just done a lot of research? I love reading these threads when you are on them: all the stuff I want to say but haven't got the intelligence to figure out! I learn so much from your vaping posts (arse-lick finished 😊).

Given the problems with asthma, lung and circulatory disease, and air pollution in this country, I don't see why being supremely relaxed about what we inhale is such a brilliant idea. We've made enough mistakes already, surely, without adding further to them?

I realise that. However, blowing out smelly, cloudy vape is a bit different to normal breathing out. I don't like it, I don't want it in my face when I'm somewhere like a hairdresser or restaurant, same as I wouldn't want someone to sit farting particularly smelly gas next to me either.

I agree roundaboutthetown. I wonder how it would go down though if someone proposed that all these products be banned from public spaces until there had been a large scale longitudinal study on each one.

Thank you Wombling I'm not in the industry, I've just done a lot of reading around because I'm a bit obsessive I've been vaping for going on 4 years and have been arguing against the tide of anti-vape BS for just as long. It's amazing really, when I smoked nobody said much about it. Take up vaping and suddenly the world and his dog has An Opinion and wastes no time letting you know what it is.

Apologies if my wording wasn't exact - I took it from your government H&S at work website.

The WHO also recommend banning it in workplaces. They also state that there is insufficient evidence to conclude that e-cigarettes help users quit smoking or not.

The evidence is contradictory. The PHE is only one body coming to conclusions based on the various evidences out there.

Oh and and the PHE has no impact on me (I'm not English) so no point in taking anything up with them.

Oh right ItsAllGoingToBeFine so it's purely the smell that bothers you rather than any pollution or potential health risks

Pretty much. Air pollution / health risks are kind of impossible to avoid. Making an anti-social stench (see also spray deodorants etc) is just rude and anti social.

Cow shit stinks. Let's ban cows

I'm vegan so can't really disagree with that.

Sewage farms stink

And aren't located every few metres down the street.

Let's ban shitting

People shit in the street?

Angel and Alien perfume stink

Also antisocial

Or alternatively get over yourself

Gosh. So I'm not allowed to post an opinion that you disagree with? I think that says more about you than me...

No, you're absolutely allowed an opinion, I just imagined your was for more altruistic or scientific reasons than "I don't like the smell".

You say smoking and/or vaping should be made completely illegal everywhere, but then say people should use DSAs. There wouldn't be any DSAs if it was illegal, and why should I share my harmless (as far as research shows so far) vaping environment with smokers.

I gave up smoking because it was bad for me. There's no way I'm being shoved in a corner with smokers and inhale their second and third hand smoke?

(Please note, I'm not anti-smoking, but as a non-smoker, I don't want to share a DSA with them).

PencilsinSpace - tbh, I think vaping still has few enough users that it would be entirely possible to ban vaping from enclosed public spaces without a licence to permit their use without a massive public outcry. Besides, I think some vapers already believe they are not supposed to vape in places they would not be allowed to smoke. Wait until vaping is as popular as aerosol deodorants or air fresheners (which some people have quite severe reactions to), or as popular as smoking used to be, and you might have more of a problem on your hands trying to ban it from enclosed, public spaces, because more people would have got used to vaping all day, every day if they wanted to.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 to Pencils once again for bothering to write down the real story about vaping-hysteria and correct assumptions and out of date nonsense.

If you object to the 'foul', 'sweet' smell of vape exhalation, then luckily I'm exempt, as I vape mint flavours. Unless 'mint' now equals 'foul'? I'm sure the posters who said they hate the smell will now claim to hate the smell of mint.

Soda - at least pencil is making intelligent arguments.

Thanks.

These types of thread rarely end well.

But anyway. How is your own statement going?

The lack of a quote function here can get me in trouble!

I think we need to relax and not be judgy.

Vapers are welcome. Screaming indulged kids are not, I know which is worst when I am having a coffee with adult child free friends.

Links to what you're referencing would be useful theymademejoin. Are these particular recommendations from WHO FCTC COP6 or COP7?

We're very lucky in the UK because we have a well-developed public health sector (not to mention world class smoking data) and so we are not as reliant on the bilge spewed by the WHO in order to form policies. Some other places, particularly developing countries, don't have that and so rely on them more for guidance.

This is a tragedy because in developing countries, smoking prevalence is very high and is still rising, and it is these countries which tend to end up with the most restrictions on ecig sale and use, thanks to WHO guidance.

WHO, IMO, have completely lost sight of their goal in this area. Their main aim now is to destroy the tobacco industry and this has taken precedence over improving health or preventing premature deaths. Smokers and vapers have become collateral damage in a (largely unsuccessful) war that is no longer anything to do with them or their health.

Yup. My DH only smokes mint ones and the smell turns my very sensitive stomach.

My fear is, the promises about the safety of vaping are a bit like the promises about diesel cars. In theory, diesel cars were far safer than they used to be and a better option than petrol cars. In practice, not so. Same with petrol cars and the amount they pollute - a bit of fixing the tests and a bit of people not driving in the way the testers expected, and the reality when experienced on a massive and uncontrolled scale is not so rosy. I really do not feel very happy with the number of risks being taken with my lungs as it is, without the promises to people that vaping is practically harmless to add to it. The fresher the air around us can be, the better, imvho.

@Huffletuff

LTB

roundaboutthetown

A tiny amount of people vape compared with those who drive. Either diesel or petrol cars.

Would that be correct?

See I can vaguely sympathise Huffletuff as one of my husband's flavours smells grim, but there are so many smells in the world. How about if someone eats polos near you or chews gum or drinks a mojito? Do you think all those things are wrong too because of your "sensitive" stomach?

Are you seriously comparing the emissions from a vape to those from cars? I wouldn't imagine (and Pencils could probably do the maths) that all the vapers in the world pump out as much pollution as one car.

Wombling.

I get your point.

But no one on the anti vape side is listening. But they don't want to.

tbh, I think vaping still has few enough users that it would be entirely possible to ban vaping from enclosed public spaces without a licence to permit their use without a massive public outcry.

Why would you do that though? How would you justify it while continuing to allow a constant stream of new household and cosmetic products to be used in public spaces? Especially given that, unlike ecigs, none of them have the potential to save lives.

I think you underestimate vapers too. We managed to stop MHRA classifying ecigs as medicinal products. We managed to get UK public health to listen to us properly and see that vaping is part of the solution, not part of the problem. We managed to get NHS stop smoking services to take vaping seriously as a quit method and offer support to those using it. We managed to get NHS trusts to reverse their decision to ban vaping on hospital grounds. We're increasing in numbers all the time. We're used to fighting non-evidence based policies and we have so much more energy and self-esteem now we are no longer smokers. There are 2.9 million of us now and a big proportion of us are no longer prepared to be treated like shit for no good reason.

It's a moot point anyway because UK PH clearly don't intend to go in that direction.

I am quite sensitive to smells in general, which is definitely my issue.

PencilsInSpace - why not a medicinal product if its purpose is to help people stop smoking?