Sat I hairdressers on two seater couch and other woman waiting is chugging on e-cig

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Just this really. I've got colour on waiting for it to take and as it's a small hairdressers (3 chairs) they rotate us whilst colour set etc. The woman next to me is chugging away on her e-cig. It stinks of some rancid sweet smell.
Why is it acceptable to whip these things out? I've noticed a lot that they are used in places where smoking is not allowed. I know my 2nd hand inhalation isn't going to cause me a great harm but it's making my teeth itch!

I often wonder why alcohol does not get the same vitriol as vaping does.

Cigarettes are largely gone now, so the anti smoking brigade just have to find another cause, while they are necking their prosecco.

Vaping may not have the same health risks as smoking, but it is still anti-social and therefore should not be permitted in public places. I'd be pretty astonished if a hairdresser allowed it, given that you should have fresh hair, colour chemical smells notwithstanding. A hairdressers should ban it, and if they didn't, I'd find a different one.

I do not want smelly vapour blown in my face. Who would? How can you justify it?

As for its heath benefits or risks, I am not sufficiently well informed. However, I do know that advertising e-cigs is restricted. I also feel that while it is clearly better for smokers to turn to vaping, it is not a good idea for non-smokers to embrace vaping as a new hobby. It's less likely that they will if vaping is not permitted in public places.

But the risks of alcohol are largely known, so I know what to say to my children about sensible alcohol use if they wish to try it. I'd like to know whether or not to tell them nicotine is highly addictive!

I think young people are more likely to try drugs and drink alcohol to excess. Cigarettes are passe, and vaping is a tool for former smokers of tobacco to give up.

I am very sceptical of the theory that non smokers will take up vaping. I have never heard of it in my non smoking family or friends group and their teenage children. Why would they?

It's a mystery why they do a lot of things, tbf! If it gets a reputation as an enjoyable and social thing to do that is as harmless as drinking a cup of coffee, and which, thanks to nicotine, can make you feel pleasantly alert and better able to concentrate, without any risks of addiction, then why wouldn't/shouldn't non-smokers try it?..

I'd rather the capers than more smokers - I only started mine 5 weeks ago and have gone from a 10 a day 6 year habit to only having had 2 within 5 weeks ... it's massively effective and not indicative of a bigger problem but of saving ones health. I'd tried many times to quit and this has possibly saved me from cancer.
They have been tested and the ingredient that caused popcorn lung has been banned in liquids to be sold to the UK market. The govt wouldn't let us use untested products so prolifically.
Saying this I would always ask before vaping as I know some wouldn't like it x

But do they actually try it? I doubt it. Alcohol is so much easier to procure as are Class A drugs and pot. That's cool you see and almost everyone does the alcohol thing, the drugs are rampant and no fiddling with vaping tools required either. Just swallow it and go, or light up your toke and chill out.

Universities are the places to carry out research into vaping or other substances. I think I know which ones will come out on top! And it ain't vaping either.

There's valid research that vaping chemicals are dangerous to primary users and 'second hand' inhalers and cause 'popcorn lung' amongst other conditions. Legislation just hasn't caught up to vaping yet. I'd be changing my hairdresser and letting them know why.

Kit,

Have you read the entire thread yet?

Have you a link to the research that says this.

Apologies to SomeOther; my infos apparently outdated but I HATE the stink so wouldn't put up with it.

Nicotine patches and gum are unpleasant, though. There is obviously something different about vaping, or it wouldn't work on smokers where the alternatives failed, would it? So what is so amazingly pleasant about vaping/so similar to the process of smoking that makes it so successful?

Gym burnt my mouth. I never tried patches
The appeal of my vape is it's similar to smoking, I inhale and exhale. I can stand with a brew and feel like I'm smoking. Nice flavours, more interesting than smoking

A few colleagues vape. They tell me it is the ritual of hand to mouth that works for them. There are three currently vaping and two of them are on zero nicotine, the other one is on some nicotine I don't know the strength.

Looking from the outside it would seem that the mimicking of the smoking ritual works. I don't know any more than that other than the patches and lozenges and all the rest of it didn't work for them but vaping does.

Habit I suppose. But at least it is not smoking tobacco.

We have to be realistic and tolerant. And be thankful that these people are not polluting the rest of us with tobacco smoke. In years to come it will result in fewer people suffering from lung diseases and all the rest of it that is associated with tobacco.

At least that's the way I look at it.

Objecting to the smell of a certain hair treatment in a hairdressers is like complaining about the smell of food someone else is eating in a restaurant you're dining in- ludicrous. Don't go there then. Vaping in enclosed spaces around people who have no choice but to breathe it is rude. She sounds like a chav.

It is definitely habit for me. A cigarette punctuated my life. Do my makeup, have a brew and a cig. Breakfast then a cig. Get in the car, light a cigarette. Patches don't do that and it's changing your whole life to not have that punctuation. Whereas I can do my makeup, have a brew and a vape

@SaucyJack, it? As in you only have one?? 😱 Pfft amateur 😉

FFS roundaboutthetown you want the moon on a stick!

What in-depth, large scale studies have been done, that I could be pointed towards, on the never-smoking vapers and why those that tried it and stopped chose to stop and how quickly they gave up?

AFAIK this hasn't been done. I imagine it's not much of a research priority because the numbers are so tiny - click on the links in my previous post to the ASH factsheets on adult and youth ecig use. Of course they are keeping a close eye on these figures but so far, so good.

Karl Fagerstrom is quite good on the science around this.

We've got the TPD regs to make sure nothing is put in eliquid that shouldn't be there.

This is weird - and fascinating.

Yes it is and I'm sure you'll have lots and lots more questions Might I suggest you do a bit of independent reading now? The GFN conference website archive is a good place to start. It's mostly videos but if you want to know more you can look up the presenters and see what they've published.

Spoilsport! I will look a those links, though. Thanks, Pencils.

Just returning briefly to post video, on the offchance anybody is still remotely interested

If you want to understand vaping and why it's so controversial you could do a lot worse than sit down for 1/2 hour with a cup of tea and watch this. Stimson is an entertaining speaker with a stellar career in PH and harm reduction. He makes a lot of the same points I've made on this thread but does it much better, obviously.

The video is from 3 years ago and a few things have moved on since then. In particular, the TPD is now law, we're on about gen. 5 for ecig hardware (which has improved safety even further), and PHE have stuck their neck on the line and said 'yes, we'll go with the popular 95% safer than smoking estimate, having looked at all the evidence.'

There's discussion at about 11 minutes of exactly how much safer vaping is than smoking. Stimson does reference Nutt but also explains how lots of scientists in this field had already been coming to similar conclusions based on their own reading and research.

I often wonder why alcohol does not get the same vitriol as vaping does.

Have you read the threads on MN about alcohol?

I think yanbu op, vaping in the hairdressers is wrong. It's better than smoking yes but that doesn't mean it's ok anywhere.

Have you read the threads on MN about alcohol?

Yes I have.

There's some fantastic support for people who are struggling with alcohol on MN. The brave babes threads in particular seem to be offering really good support to MNers trying to cut down or quit alcohol and they've been giving solid support for quite a few years now.

There is also a whole topic devoted to alcohol support because a lot of people have a problem with alcohol. MN support for people with alcohol problems looks pretty good, from an outsider's perspective.

But still, reactions to alcohol consumption on MN and elsewhere don't get anywhere near the vitriol directed at vaping and there is no logical reason why, given the relative harms to users and society.

Meanwhile, Wine o'clock everybody cheers!

... have a think.

I disagree there is a lot of judgement over drinking also on MN, and almost desperation amongst some to label as many people as possible as having a problem. There is also lots of judgment about drinking at all in front of children and in a variety of different contexts. There is wine o clock also I agree but the two don't tally, different groups of people I guess.

In terms of vaping its better not to but it's better to vape than smoke. But it is a way of managing an addiction to nicotine (which arguably isn't that harmful in itself). There has to be a time and a place for it though and respect for others not wanting to breathe it in.