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ATBU? Tories and DUP in favour of freezing public sector pay

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AtHomeDadGlos · 28/06/2017 21:09

So, the Tories along with their cash rich friends the DUP have just voted down Labour's amendment (supported by every other MP) to end the public sector pay freeze.

So they can find £1bn to keep themselves in power but can't find anything to pay our firefighters, nurses, police force or teachers more?

TABU aren't they?

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Ceto · 28/06/2017 23:55

What makes their conduct utterly disgusting is the fact that they cheered after the vote.

When I read about PC Wayne Marquez taking on three knifemen single-handed and all those firemen willingly and repeatedly going into the Grenfell House inferno, I simply cannot understand this vote. And I thought Theresa May told us that austerity was over? Only for the DUP, apparently.

ghostyslovesheets · 28/06/2017 23:56

and this thread is all about public sector employees - I am not sure many private sector employees would stay in a job where there was no pay rise for 8 years

PookieDo · 28/06/2017 23:58

I won't retire till I am 68 either and I am public sector.

On that note I've retired 6 nurses in the last year on the grounds of ill health - they literally worked themselves into the ground over their careers and all ended up with surgery on their back/knees/hips.

OliviaBenson · 29/06/2017 00:46

They cheered????? I have no words. Bastards.

AndTakeYourHorseWithYou · 29/06/2017 01:36

Well of course they were going to block it, they have a bunch of dinosaurs in Ireland that need paying!

Nobody is paying anyone in Ireland. I think you mean Northern Ireland, a completely different country.

Atenco · 29/06/2017 01:51

I live abroad, but I am so sorry to see this happening to you lot.

By the way, Northern Ireland is Ireland, I should know, I come from there. If you want to talk about official state names, there isn't a state that is just called Ireland.

cricketballs · 29/06/2017 06:00

Beyond disgusting - op I used your template to email by glory hunting Tory MP

makeourfuture · 29/06/2017 06:12

Only for the DUP, apparently

And yet Tory Debt grows and grows and grows.

Typical Tories. Hate workers. Hate real people. Hate growth.

LurkingHusband · 29/06/2017 06:53

Can I point out that lots of private sector workers aren't getting pay rises either.

So firemen and nurses as well quit the public sector anyway ???

Oh, they already are.

SeaWitchly · 29/06/2017 07:17

YANBU OP.

It is a disgrace but I hope this sort of callous behaviour is finally starting to wake up previous Tory voters.

noblegiraffe · 29/06/2017 07:19

The Daily Mail headline on this was "Theresa May survives her first parliamentary test since the election as Labour's bid to sabotage the Queen's Speech FAILS to pass the Commons - by 14 votes thanks to DUP support"
And "Jeremy Corbyn had tabled an amendment calling for an end to the public sector pay cap and for more police and firefighters to be recruited in the wake of the Grenfell Tower disaster.

But the beleaguered PM was able to scrape together enough support and the amendment was voted down by 323 votes to 309 votes, giving her a slender majority of just 14 MPs."

Yes, what a relief that she scraped enough support to screw over public sector workers. Nasty Jeremy Corbyn.

rollonthesummer · 29/06/2017 07:19

I don't like to know if many Tory voters think this is a good idea?

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AtHomeDadGlos · 29/06/2017 07:21

Thanks to all those who have emailed their Tory MP. I really feel it's very important to hold them to account on this one.

And to the poster who said it was a clever political move by Corbyn. I agree, but it would've been great to see some Tory backbenchers who espouse the virtue of working together with Labour MPs and claim to want to affect real change actually doing so. It would have taken only 8 Tory MPs to have voted the other way in order for this to have passed.

So not only did all Tory MPs support it, but the Tory whips must have imposed a three-line whip demanding that they follow the Party orders to vote it down.

Tory MPs - putting their Party and their own career ahead of the national interest yet again.

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noblegiraffe · 29/06/2017 07:22

It's because of the ridiculously antagonistic political system that something reasonable with broad support would be voted down to save the party.

SeagullsStoleMyChurro · 29/06/2017 07:31

Off she trotted to meet the fire fighters after Grenfell, and this is their reward.
Actions speak louder than words. Absolute cunts.

user1471545174 · 29/06/2017 07:34

If Labour's amendment had won, there would likely have been another election.

Clever if cynical move on the part of Labour. They knew they'd lose the vote numerically because the government doesn't want another election, but it was mainly an opportunity to make those evil Tories look more evil.

I dunno, hasn't anyone seen through them yet?

Ifailed · 29/06/2017 07:34

noblegiraffe Agree with your previous post, Tories were bound to votes against this amendment as it was effectively a vote of no confidence, now Labour can portray May as the person who didn't want to give Police and Firefighters a modest pay rise.
She should have looked to the past - one of the 1st things Thatcher did was to give the police a 45% pay rise.

user1471545174 · 29/06/2017 07:38

Seriously, why would the Tories vote for another election?

Don't you see the chosen issue - public sector wages - was just a ploy?

Labour's cynicism is breathtaking. Momentum Labour will stop at nothing to engender perma-revolution.

GraceGrape · 29/06/2017 07:44

user The Tories do a pretty good job at making themselves look evil without the need for any help from the Labour Party. Can't they see that cheering the result just makes them look callous?

noblegiraffe · 29/06/2017 07:45

The thing is, the Tories were briefing earlier in the day that they would consider an end to the public sector pay freeze. Then they u-turned, then they voted it down.

So there was a chance it could have gone through. No one reporting that it might said that it would bring down the government, I don't think it's that easy now we have the fixed term parliament act.

SeagullsStoleMyChurro · 29/06/2017 07:48

Corbyn didn't force them to cheer....

akaWisey · 29/06/2017 07:52

I'm public sector. I can't sleep because I'm expecting to lose my home when my job is downgraded to the extent that I won't be able to afford to travel to work and pay my mortgage and bills. I don't live beyond my means at all, I only owe my mortgage but even on my current salary I can't afford to sell and buy somewhere cheaper because there is nowhere cheaper within travelling distance to my work. I am job searching across the UK and there are fewer and fewer public sector posts as the Tories off load services to big business.

I won't be able to live in the area which I was born and raised, where my DC's and DF still live because the entire county service in which I work will have downgraded all the posts like mine.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/06/2017 07:59

user

Very interested in your view of the cheering

It would have been much better for the mps to be somber and 'regretful' that unfortunately your party is unable to give a payrise at this point to our fantastic public services

Whether you believe it or not...

If your theory is correct, then that makes the mps present fucking stupid. Fucking stupid worries me more than callous

makeourfuture · 29/06/2017 08:09

Off she trotted to meet the fire fighters after Grenfell, and this is their reward.

When she was with them she had a look like she had stepped in shit.

user1471545174 · 29/06/2017 08:11

They cheered because the challenge failed so there wouldn't be another election.

There is every likelihood of public sector pay being improved once a stable government is up and running. It's just not something they could promote on this occasion, because Labour were holding them to ransom over it - if they'd agreed to the amendment, there would likely have been a vote of no confidence and another election.