ATBU? Tories and DUP in favour of freezing public sector pay

[AtHomeDadGlos]

So, the Tories along with their cash rich friends the DUP have just voted down Labour's amendment (supported by every other MP) to end the public sector pay freeze.

So they can find £1bn to keep themselves in power but can't find anything to pay our firefighters, nurses, police force or teachers more?

TABU aren't they?

[AtHomeDadGlos]

Not free, fair

[EachandEveryone]

Same here

[PookieDo]

I've got colleagues top of their band for over a decade too. I'm near the top of mine. I will just have to keep looking for a progression post in the next banding but they are rare to come by.

[PookieDo]

NHS- All increments should be performance related - you have to complete a form to state that person is eligible for their increment and passed their appraisal if you do not then it is not granted. It is no longer automatic in some trusts.

I meant to say there isn't 7 bands, there are approx 7 incremental pay points in each band, and there are bands 1-9

[noodleaddict]

Can't believe this absolutely disgusting move by the Tories/DUP. Oh no wait, I can.

Cunts.

[MrsJackRackam]

HMRC have a had an increment freeze since the pay freeze. Which means you don't move up the spine at all. My colleague, who does exactly the same job as me, is paid £4000 a year more because he moved up the scale years ago.
I know civil servants don't receive the same sympathy as emergency services etc but it's still a shite state of affairs to be in

[LurkingHusband]

But we don't have a money tree you know

We do.

It's called "the taxpayer".

[PickAChew]

I bet they wouldn't even consider freezing their own.

[AtHomeDadGlos]

They didn't; given themselves a pay rise of £9k a year over the last two years.

[AtHomeDadGlos]

Not a year sorry. £9k total

[FidgetSpinner]

[Sashkin]

Increment frequency depends on which public sector job we're talking about. Junior doctors get an annual increment for the first ten years. However each increment is still below the current rate of inflation, and of course you do take on quite a lot more responsibility as you progress as a junior doctor so it is reasonable that your pay would go up. You wouldn't expect a registrar qualified for 13 years to earn the same as a brand-new house officer.

Consultants get an increment every five years. Again, not a fortune - looks to be

[MrsMulder]

Apparently they all cheered when they won the vote to continue to cap our pay below inflation! Absolute scumbags

[Unescorted]

MrsJack it is the same for us. With the added insult of the MP for our sponsor dept going on R4 to say a 1% increase in council tax was actually a real terms cut. On the same day we got our 1% pay settlement for the second year running.
My train ticket to get to work has increased over14% in the same period.
My pension provision has been cut in half for the same contribution before we get people telling us that we have secure "gold plated" pension provision. If I hadn't taken a private pension when I was in the private sector I would be facing a retirement in poverty.

There were so many applications for VR in the latest cull we were turned down. Some just left anyway without a job to go to. I am starting to think this is a sensible option.

[QueenieGoldstein]

Is there a list of MPs who voted against lifting the cap?

[Unescorted]

Only Conservative and DUP voted against the Labour amendment.

[pointythings]

I notice no-one on here defending the cap yet... Come on, Tory voters on MN, where are you?

[NotTooWorried]

No money tree, unless you're an MP wanting a pay rise and then there's a fucking big one.

[AtHomeDadGlos]

Yep, User, you've got that spot on.

Queenie- there will be online, but it was every Conservative and DUP MP and only them. Every other MP (aside from Sinn Fein who don't take up their seats) voted to end the pay freeze.

[noblegiraffe]

It wasn't a vote against a pay rise. It was a vote for a real terms pay cut. Inflation is currently about 2.9%. Capping pay rises again at 1% means another cut in pay for public sector workers who have seen real terms pay cuts for years now.

Unlike MPs who've had an about 11% pay increase in the past 2 years.

[ExplodedCloud]

Oh well that's surprised me .

I reached the top of my paygrade in 2007 and several restructures later, despite 2 promotions, I'm still there.

[donquixotedelamancha]

The worst bit is where that money went. We lost 15% of our wages, services got cut to the bone and the money went on:

1. Reducing the deficit (absolutely reasonable).
   
2. A 20% tax cut for the wealthiest.
   
3. Slashing corporation tax, also mainly benefiting the wealthiest.
   

The reason for the big increase in debt at the end of Brown's tenure was to bail out the banks, so of course those bankers need a tax cut.

Corbyn suggests PARTIAL reversing of the last two and he is a crazy communist and all the companies will leave the UK if he gets in.

[thecraftyfox]

Another public sector worker. I've been at the top of my band for 3 years. My department is understaffed and we get busier each year. If my salary kept pace with inflation I'd be about £5k a year better off. That would pay for the new boiler we need and put money into the pocket of the gas fitter who could then spend it, the services he buys then pay their workers who spend their wages and so on. As it is, we will hopefully be able to get him to bodge another repair to keep us limping on for a little longer. Significantly less money flowing through the system for all then...

[rollonthesummer]

What a slap in the bloody face. 'Thank you firefighters for all the wonderful acts of recent heroism despite the fire service being so thinly stretched by financial cuts caused by, erm, us, but frankly you can get stuffed now.'