Or is toast with honey a perfectly acceptable breakfast for a 4yo?

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Just that, really. DD(4) is asking for toast with honey for breakfast. DH is telling her she can't have it. I ask why, he says it's just pure sugar and looks at me like I've got two heads. Surely toast with honey is a perfectly normal breakfast option? It's not like she eats it every day (or in fact ever before).

DH is foreign, if that makes a difference. He has some really weird (to me) ideas about what is and isn't an acceptable meal

My kids all got one of those coney shaped plastic bags full of sweets after a party. They all opened them straight after. This was Saturday afternoon and they were allowed to eat what they liked as I said well when they have gone, they have gone. They all have around 2/3 of the sweets left. Strict restriction isn't always the best option.

My kids are 9, 5 and 3

My kids still have Easter eggs left. They're not that fussed about chocolate.

They all have around 2/3 of the sweets left. Strict restriction isn't always the best option.

My kids are 9, 5 and 3

Blimey, your kids have restraint - mine inhale sweet cones, knowing them they'd have gone in 5 minutes

Sounds like my kids- they still have unopened chocolate from Christmas.

My 9 year old nephew had a scone with cream and jam for breakfast the other day. Yes, really. Grandma happily gave it to him. I'd say toast with honey is a much better option.

Poor old Mog. I never knew.

Unopened Christmas chocolates wins Unless somebody has something earlier though you really ought to have thrown them away as they're probably nearing their use by date

this is more than a good breakie.
and when did we get like this.people being so unsure.or even caring.kids (ok adults too) are meant to enjoy the scrummy childish cereals full of sugar.its BALANCE if the rest of your day is full of crap then ok it sbad.but with three meals few snacks veggies,meats carbs good food.then they are fine.
GOLDEN GRAHAM
BRANFLAKES.
FROSTIES
KRISPIES
FOOD...OFFF THE....GODS.AND DAM OK.
ok not full of antio bods and whatever the fk elese these smoothies or fortified bird food tends to say they give us.
god my family and many I nogrew up loving sna crackle and pop
loved jam on toast and the odd Nutella
we loved balance.
grrrrrrrr.
its fine

DD and DS2 still have half their trick or treat stash left. Do I win the most restrained about chocolate DC competition?

I think k it's OK if it's artisanal honey made from local bees, but if it's mass-produced glade honey or whatever, it probably does have more sugar..

kateandme - the neurotic got like this when the medical profession started warning the nation about modern lifestyles and type 2 diabetes. Neurotic types who were never remotely at risk from type 2 diabetes even before they changed their lifestyles (because we have always known that sugar is not good for you in large quantities...), and who already neuroticaly exercise and eat lots of fruit and veg, and brush their teeth, and floss, and drink plenty of water and limit their salt intake and red meat intake and eat fish every week, and take vitamin D supplements and wear factor 50 suncream with an excellent uva protection rating, and ensure they sit for less than 7 hours a day, genuinely think the medical profession is nevertheless referring to them and their lifestyles when it starts with its latest warnings about sugar. So now they have even cut out honey. Those actually at risk of type 2 diabetes in the meantime, may or may not have changed anything about their lives. The rest of us still enjoy honey on toast from time to time as part of a reasonably balanced diet and reasonably healthy lifestyle, recognising that neurotic perfection isn't much fun.

It's ok, Mog got resurrected for a Sainsbury's Christmas ad a few years back.

They rubbed Taste the Difference honey on her corpse until she woke up.

The health benefits of raw honey outweigh the concern over sugar for me.

I once read about a woman aged 100. who when asked the secret of her long life attributed it to having honey on toast for breakfast every day.

Mass produced honey won't have any more sugar than locally produced artisan honey. The difference is that honey from local producers is raw, i.e., it hasn't been heated to very high temperatures, or undergone an excessive filtering and purifying process which destroys the nature enzymes in it. Therefore it will still contain health benefits, including traces of local pollen etc which help to build a strong immune system. There is some evidence that consuming local honey can help prevent hayfever.

Pooh is in a New York library.

I love this thread. Mumsnet at it's bonkers best. It should be in Classics.

FWIW, as a childhood fusspot, my daily diet consisted of not only honey on toast for breakfast, but a round of honey sandwiches for lunch too. So what happened? I grew up, expanded my food repertoire, (eat most things now), kept active and brushed my teeth regularly.

I didn't know the Peter Pan background squoosh. What a tragic family.

*Is he Dutch Op? The land of bitte bollen, chips with peanut sauce, poffertjes and fried snacks! He hasn't got a leg to stand on"
They put Hundred and Thousands (hagelslag?) on bread/toast in Netherlands for breakfast

Paddington Station yesterday. Awwww.

Scrumpernickel Aww sweet.
(You have a talent for making my eyes water!!)

A 10 year old can eat 24g of sugar a day
It's not a lot when you start looking into the composition of everyday foods either. Pretty shocking. It's even less for 4-6 year olds who should have no more than 19g/day of *"added sugars". It doesn't take much to get to that limit either, eg 35g sugar in a can of Coke.

1 teaspoon honey (~7g) contains just over 5g sugar (approx 50/50 glucose and fructose). Fructose is metabolised slightly differently to glucose, which is why gov. guidlines say to limit its intake.

*"added sugars are free sugars that have been added by a food manufacturer, cook or consumer to a food and include those sugars naturally found in unsweetened fruit juice, honey and syrups. It doesn't include sugars naturally found in milk and milk products, and intact fruit and veg".
(apologies as I can't remember the source but it was a UK government one)

Finding Neverland (the film, you may have heard of it) covers the Peter Pan/Barrie background, Yoshimi. It's the one with Kate Winslet and Johnny Depp.

Ahh Paddington!

Aww, Scrumpernickel, what a gorgeous statue. I love Paddington!

What is processed or 'sugary' about a slice of wholemeal bread, butter and honey? FFS.

Expat, all processed means is that the food has been altered from its natural state in some way, either for safety reasons or convenience. The bread is a man-made product (the grain has to be milled, etc) rather than found in nature, so by definition it's "processed". Same with butter. Even milk is processed (pasteurised) to make it safe . It doesn't mean a food is "bad" though, but whoever mentioned the fact the meal is processed isn't wrong.

Was this the link to the obesity stats you were talking about FizbotheClown?

It says "According to data from the National Child Measurement Programme (NCMP), 9% of reception age children (age 4-5) are obese, with a further 13% overweight. These proportions are higher among year 6 children (age 10-11), with 20% being obese and 14% overweight."

My kids had a pain au chocolate and a peach for breakfast. I fear for them.