Or is toast with honey a perfectly acceptable breakfast for a 4yo?

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Just that, really. DD(4) is asking for toast with honey for breakfast. DH is telling her she can't have it. I ask why, he says it's just pure sugar and looks at me like I've got two heads. Surely toast with honey is a perfectly normal breakfast option? It's not like she eats it every day (or in fact ever before).

DH is foreign, if that makes a difference. He has some really weird (to me) ideas about what is and isn't an acceptable meal

these people are idiots who don't understand research because they ate shit in the 70's and are 'only overweight now' cos #snort WINE O'CLOCK and cheeky Nandos and stuff, all balanced though

Blimey, you're on a rant, lol. Making zero sense, but on one nonetheless!
Wine and cheeky Nandos IS all balanced as part of an overall healthy diet not for said 4 year old, natch
Since when do you get overweight from honey on toast being a breakfast option?
You get overweight from eating shit ALL the time, and not part of a balanced diet.
Banning foods and seeing them as bad is not a healthy attitude to have towards food, and definitely not one you want to pass onto children.

This thread is quite funny. I love a bit of honey on toast, especially for brekkers. But if you have it everyday, all the time, with nothing else, its a bit of a shocker. There is nout wrong with a big fat burger and chips every once in a while. But as a dinner week in, week out, its a gonna leave you nutrient deficient as well as morbidly obese. Not a fan of the health blogger wannabees, but without variety you'd be doing your daughter a big disservice by indulging that 7 days a week.

Not RTFT but I assume the sugar and carbs are evil brigade have been out in force.

I don't really give a shit what my 16mo eats TBH - he's such a rubbish eater I would feel beyond overjoyed if he accepted honey on toast!

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LaurieMarlow

Protein or dairy. Basic balancing of some carbohydrate, some protein and some plant based food in all meals. Is that so very difficult?

Of course it isn't difficult.

It also isn't necessary for a Mother to obsess meticulously whether her 4yo child is getting a balance of all three every meal.

Carbs is energy. Food is fuel. A 4yo needs more carbs than a 20 something on a LCD. A slice or two of honey on toast isn't going to turn her into 15stone overnight.

Not at all, Rodeo, it's been very sensible and restrained.

i am honestly not on a rant, I could link you to peer reviewed papers but you can't heed warnings/guidelines because your 'nan had eleven sugars in her brew and lived to 300' so I'll leave you all to your type 2 diabetes and your chubby children. 'lol' have these too
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Has anyone said that peanut M&Ms are more nutritious than potatoes yet?

That was one of the funniest pieces of dietary advice I ever read on MN.

Of course it's fine. Why do so few people have common sense these days

Also would just like to point out that every single person I know who is slim and has always been slim literally just follows their appetite - they eat what they fancy when they're hungry.

I was in a meeting today with four people - two overweight, two slim. There was a box of those M&S rocky road things on the table. Slim ones helped themselves fairly liberally to the rocky roads. The overweight ones didn't touch them. I have worked with them for 5+ years and they are ALWAYS banging on about sugar, carbs etc - they lose weight for a bit and then pile it back on again. It's just not healthy or sustainable to cut out entire food groups. And no matter how much the low carb lobby like to bleat about how "it's not an entire food group - you can get carbs from vegetables!" or "if you don't have any sugar then you don't crave sweet things any more" - the fact remains that I don't think that's a very nice way to live. Sure, I could get all my carbs from spinach but I'd quite like a nice fat slice of freshly baked white bread every now and then, actually. The key is moderation.

I lost a shit tonne of weight and kept it off once I changed my mentality to food - smaller portion sizes, not feeling terrified of being hungry, not eating through boredom, not constantly totting up calorie and carb counts in my head. Seriously. I lost 3 stone doing that.

Since then I eat sugar, carbs, fat and everything in between in moderation and I've stayed slim.

Carbs are not the enemy.

Spot on Rodeo

Pretty much RodeoDriveBaby!

As well as, just put it ij front or them and don't give them an alternative, you know because if you don't like fish and someone brings you a fish dinner you should just be grateful for it anyway even ir it makes you gag. Its the same principle here. There's a difference between encouraging your child to try something new and forcing them to eat something they didn't clearly like.

I went to a very strict CofE primary school, where the teachers used to sit on your dinner table, I clearly remember being forced to eat my celery. Guess what? 20+ years later and I still don't like it.

People are being extreme out of defensiveness and in an effort to discredit others by exaggerating the opposing viewpoint for comic effect.

Most people eat too much sugar and processed food. Not just as a treat, but every day, often multiple times a day. Reducing the amount of sugar and processed food you and your children eat is a perfectly sane, non-extreme thing to do. Not something to be ridiculed and derided.

Nobody is saying that honey on toast is poison, or that you shouldn't ever have it. But given the amount of (sometimes 'hidden') sugar present in all sorts of other foods we eat , choosing a highly sugary breakfast every day isn't a great idea. Surely there isn't anything very controversial about that?

so I'll leave you all to your type 2 diabetes and your chubby children.

Nope, no diabetes or chubby children here but go ahead thinking everyone of us is fat as we have a healthy relationship with food.
I have two boys, both skinny as a rake, and I don't ban any foods.
Everything in moderation, tons of running about/football playing/etc.
Best way to be, I'm not putting any disordered food thinking onto them.
They know how to eat healthily, as long as they are eating healthily most of the time I can't get knotted up about honey on toast.
or the occasional bag of haribos or sausage roll

so I'll leave you all to your type 2 diabetes and your chubby children. 'lol' have these too biscuit cake

Chubby children? Wow. Aren't you a peach? spectacularly wrong too.

My skinny ass rib showing active 8yo is not chubby. But if it makes you feel better about your own food hangups you carry on.

NameChangr678 you're right. Eggs aren't dairy. That is something of a revelation to me. In my slightly mad mind, they are indeed dairy. Maybe that's a throw back to how they were always lumped together in the 70s.

You'll be pleased to hear and so will Laurie no doubt that the egg muffins also had cheese in. And I've had milk and creme fraiche today too.

The bread is dark wholemeal, we don't buy white bread. And like I said, it's the first time she's ever asked for it! Normally she'd get eggs or toast with nut butter or fruit and yoghurt or any number of other things. She'll also have fruit around 10am at school, and lunch and dinner include plenty of veg.

Of course it isn't difficult.

Someone up thread said it was 'well nigh impossible'. I was only responding to that.

Look, I don't give a shit whether you do it across the day or within meals, but it's not difficult to do it within meals and I find it an easy principle to work towards.

Wouldn't suprise me scrumpernickel. There's something like the equivalent of six teaspoons of yoghurt in certain diet yoghurts but yes honey is evil.

But given the amount of (sometimes 'hidden') sugar present in all sorts of other foods we eat , choosing a highly sugary breakfast every day isn't a great idea.

I don't think anybody here has or would say that everyday for a highly sugary breakfast is a good idea, Eolian. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The OP never said it was a sugary breakfast every day though, in fact this was the first time the DD had asked for it.

So OP, given that it's way past breakfast, did she have the toast and honey?

Good news all; I've collected my children and the are neither killed nor obesed after their run in with honey. Wonder if that's because there was egg mixed in with the just sugar really milk the just sugar really bread was soaked in.

Does anyone actually know why there is a 'obesity' crisis?

I mean my children eat honey on toast at times (or honey with the French toast this morning), they eat sweets, chocolates, cakes and biscuits more frequently than occasionally too. I wouldn't deny them crisps or other salty snacks either. Might drink fizzy drinks and squash now and again also. Yet my DC are all in the lower percentile weightwise so certainly not even close to fat.

So what is causing so many children to be overweight, let a lone obese? I've a feeling it's not honey on toast - even if it's not honey created in your own hives on homemade spelt bead.

some really defensive people on here who have gone on the attack. I am really not arsed (apart from a public health perspective obviously)

no idea why there's some namecalling started? Seems a bit much, maybe I hit a raw nerve eh?

The U.K. Diet contains far too much protein. In the long run too much protein can cause damage to the kidneys and also protein gram for gram has more energy in it than carbohydrate.
It is not good dietary advice to tell people to eat more protein and less carbs, especially children.