Or is toast with honey a perfectly acceptable breakfast for a 4yo?

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Just that, really. DD(4) is asking for toast with honey for breakfast. DH is telling her she can't have it. I ask why, he says it's just pure sugar and looks at me like I've got two heads. Surely toast with honey is a perfectly normal breakfast option? It's not like she eats it every day (or in fact ever before).

DH is foreign, if that makes a difference. He has some really weird (to me) ideas about what is and isn't an acceptable meal

I was one of the first posts on this thread this morning and have just returned from work to discover that a 4 year old being given toast and honey has run on for 5 hours and 9 pages. Barmy!

Yes i'm afraid it was confirmed up-thread reuset. The amount of honey the fat little bastard ate it's no surprise.

This thread has actually pleasantly surprised me - there's a lot more people talking sense than I thought there would be.

I had a conversation with a woman the other day who genuinely thought that her son had taken 3 hours to go to sleep because he'd eaten some cornflakes and was in the middle of a sugar high (despite the fact that these don't exist). It had been 30 degrees that day but of course it wasn't the heat...

Angel ''twas ever thus. Mumsnet and reality always completely part company when it comes to children's diets.

ThymeLord 😂

hoddtastic since you singled me out, I have raised my children in the same way I was. That is, food is not a great big song and dance with good foods and bad foods and OMG empty calories. So surprise, surprise, they are a normal healthy weight without massive food issues (one is a teen, one grown up & left home).

Making food a huge issue is a really bad idea. Getting worked up over toast and honey for breakfast is utterly bonkers. Just unclench and eat normal portions of whatever you fancy in moderation, generally trying to avoid too much processed crap & you'll be just grand.

It is better than a cereal
If it is wholemeal bread plus butter and a small amount of honey or jam then it is fine
Depends on the number of slices too!

Denying children sweet things just seems so kill-joy and OTT.

We were out with my nieces and nephews on a gorgeous sunny weekend a few weeks back, all aged about 5-10. There was an ice-cream shop. My DD and all her cousins got an ice cream. Except one of my nieces, who wasn't allowed it because it would give her a 'sugar' high'.

The poor wee mite had to walk along watching ALL the other kids she was with, all her cousins, eat an ice-cream.

It was a sunny day, a weekend treat. A nice bonding thing for cousins to do who don't see each other very often. I still remember the strawberry lollies I ate one day with my cousins about 35 years ago, it's such a funny little happy memory.

Would a so-called 'sugar high' would have been less beneficial for my niece than it was for her to be the only child not allowed to join in the fun?

Interestingly whenever she IS allowed sugar (the occaisonal pudding, about which a HUGE fuss is made eg 'Now, you DO KNOW THIS ISN'T FOR EVERYDAY??!!!, sapping all the fun out of it) she guzzles it in desperation and will beg for more (which she's not allowed obv). In contrast to most other kids I know (who are allowed more sweet treats) who just enjoy it until it's finished and then go off and play and forget about it.

Sad times indeed stopnamechanging. Let's take a minute for Winnie.

Am I the only person who's never experienced, or known a family member to experience, crashing after a sugar hit and getting ratty. In 10 years when new research inevitably tells us yet again that actually, sugar and carbs are ok and protein is the devil will everyone suddenly change their diet again? There'll be a handful of lone voices in the wilderness muttering 'everything in moderation'....

I would vomit if faced with a plate of eggs , or avocado, for breakfast.

And those lovely Continentals eat bread or croissants with jam, dunked in coffee or hot chocolate or malted milk drink.

All these people talking about skinny kids in the 1970s, they're not thin now - see page 6 [http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03336/SN03336.pdf]

Teach me to preview researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03336/SN03336.pdf

Exactly, Jessica

Italians eat cake for breakfast. Yep, CAKE. They don't even pretend it's a muffin.

They also eat, at other times of the day, huge amounts of freshly-cooked food, veg, fruit etc.

Sugar for breakfast IS FINE. Indeed sugar at other times of the day it's fine too.

Ideal to improve kids' (and indeed all of our) diets by making sure there is plenty of fresh food, fruit and veg, lean protein, calcium, the right kids of fats etc.

And if exercise (in a child's case, walking and playing) is taken.

But unless the OP's daughter is lying down in a dark room on sunny days eating NOTHING BUT toast and honey for weeks on end, I honestly don't see the problem.

English Also never experienced this! DP is a grump if he's hungry but nothing to do with the content of the food - just if he hasn't had any for a while.

There is no such thing as a healthy or unhealthy food, only healthy or unhealthy diets. Threads like this are pointless unless you know the diet history of the person in question.

Let's also not forget that one of the purposes of food is enjoyment, and not purely to 'nourish' the body. We need to teach our children to learn to moderate their intakes and develop healthy attitudes to food.

Therefore honey on toast is not a bad breakfast to have. It's an option that can be a perfectly healthy meal included in an adult or child's diet as part of an overall healthy diet.

I'm craving, freshly baked, white bread with lashings of honey now, thanks to this thread

I hardly ever eat breakfast and when I do, it's usually leftovers from last night's dinner. But I just ordered some more honey from Chain Bridge Farm in Northumberland. I love that place.

This thread has made me giggle. I'm not sure if my child will survive beyond her next birthday... She had cake for breakfast (one off as cupboards were bare and we'd run out of bread and honey). At least there shopping is due for delivery tonight so I can give her chocolate spread on toast tomorrow

My Korean friends think breakfast cereal is hilarious. Having special foods for breakfast is a new thing to them, as they would usually have rice or something. I'll make a note to tell them it's just carbs!

What do Tiggers like?

Christ not Tigger too. Somebody give that animal some protein before he carks it.

Don't tell me Tigger's dead too

Happy to report that Tigger is alive and well. Roo less so, because Tigger stole all his Strengthening Medicine.