To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

well, i've been called a tory so many times by people that aren't listening - I want the labour manifesto to be better so I can consider voting labour again, obviously. Why would I worry about the next labour manifesto if I was going to vote tory in any case?

I wish the Tories would come up with anything at all but running up debt, killing growth, punishing the sick, poor, elderly and disabled.

That and ramping us off the Brexit cliff.

I keep being called a leftie. [shrug] I'm not and never have been.

However, I am absolutely staggered at how much support May's incompetent Govt has on here though. These are the people in power right now - they bloody should be held up to account - yet any time anyone tries to do that, it's just 'Oh well, meh, JC wouldn't be any better'.

I feel the same potted

Corbyn and McDonnell are around for sometime

I have cancelled my d/d to the Labour Party so soon will no longer be a member of the party i have been since I was 19 (apart from a few years in between)

I don't like the direction the party is going in and give it a year I am sure many more will be feeling the same. I would never vote for Corbyn for reasons I have given many times

I feel very sad about this maybe the party will split regardless I doubt very much it will pull together

Agreed, his. It's astonishing. Day after day we get more proof how badly the tories are doing and yet the only thing I hear is about how corbyn would ruin the country. After tm there is nothing left to be ruined. Tories are literally right now ruining this country for so many, at what point will it be enough?

Exactly FriendPlease

But it is of course possible to think that while the current government is poor alternatives would be worse. plenty of people do think this and corbyn and his acolytes are not currently behaving in a manner likely to allay their concerns.
my view would be both main parties are currently held hostage by their loonier elements. If I have to choose between bonkers tories and loonie left I guess I choose the former but god knows it's with a heavy heart. But I think the willingness of large parts of the electorate to accept Brexiteer bullshit on the one hand and corbyn crap on the other demonstrates that we are no longer a serious nation, so we end up with the choices we deserve

'But it is of course possible to think that while the current government is poor alternatives would be worse. plenty of people do think this and corbyn and his acolytes are not currently behaving in a manner likely to allay their concerns.'

This ^

One thing it's difficult to accuse the shadow cabinet of us inconsistency. They've said the same thing throughout the GE campaign and continue to do so.

TM has made yet another U-turn on her own U-turn re the public sector pay cap.

Having just agreed to hand a cool £billion + to the DUP.

They are a party lurching from one disastrous decision to another. But, of course, they're not the ones suffering

Well since I first went to Glastonbury in the early '80s it was always CND, I saw the same people at Greenham Common.
The fact is the deficit has gone up under the Tories yet public services have been demolished. Now the Tories are prepared to risk peace in NI to keep power and found money to do so. I dread the marching season. The lack of principles is astonishing; these people, the DUP, believe a child pregnant through incest should be forced to have the child! I am actually afraid; it is not the Labour Party who are the extremists.

I don't have an interest in the Tory party but I know enough about British politics to know that they will pull together they will already be thinking ahead about the next election and they will fight to stay in power

I do in the Labour Party my issue with the Labour Party and Corbyn/McDonnell isn't in support of May as others have pointed out I want a better Labour Party I want a party who can win an election and lead the country

That hasn't happened since 2006 and I don't believe it ever will with Corbyn and McDonnell leading the party

2005 ...

There is no virtue in consistency if what you are is consistently silly. Which I'm afraid is, in my opinion, the case with the current Labour party.

I heartily agree karlos, I'm sure many people have a weak preference for the status who rather than Corbyn as the results show. labour to get to grips with that challenge - their tories hate the poor and want them buried rhetoric is wearing as thin as the terrorist attack on Corbyn.

Neither is a sensible debate.

I can't agree on the latter point. Corbyn's choices of associates in the past weighs heavily with me I'm afraid. At best they suggest poor judgement and naivety; at worst, something altogether more malevolent. Not a good person.

Agree Karlos.

I'm also especially unimpressed by Corbyn & McDonnell's twisting of the Grenfell fire, and the terrorist attacks.
Grenfell especially is a subject that is absolutely political, but not party political.
They're trying to stoke existing divisions & inflame things as much as poss & I find that cynical & exploitative.

I wonder if that will be their undoing tbh - letting their own agenda get in the way of what's in the best interests of the country.

'I'm also especially unimpressed by Corbyn & McDonnell's twisting of the Grenfell fire, and the terrorist attacks.Grenfell especially is a subject that is absolutely political, but not party political.'

Yes its despicable, historic regulations proven now to be ineffective and wrong. The 'cutting the fire service' accusation when the fire service themselves said they had enough people there and they arrived within minutes.

Actually, I'd say that conservative attitudes to poorer people, people with disabilities, mental health problems etc etc are really important points to discuss.

Like TM telling a nurse that 'there's no magic money tree' and saying that there are 'complex reasons' that nurses are using food banks, then doing a u turn on her own u turn about the public sector pay cap, whilst bribing the DUP with over a billion pounds to prop up their chaotic government.

I think they're pretty important things to discuss the.

if you're like my parents and you remember & dislike Corbyn from the IRA days, you're already persuaded not to vote for him - that's why the focus on his naivety was misguided - there is a strong attack to be made on his policies. Similarly, Corbyn et al are making the same mistake - they will never persuade any tory voters to swap sides and vote for them with their tories are evil in every way rhetoric, it's too partisan.

also seriously: if you're anti-austerity - why would you be railing against the tories lifting the public sector pay cap? this is exactly what should be happening now, parties moving to the centre so that one gets a stable majority.

Still don't get why so many people support the tories. What good have they achieved in the past god knows how many years. What good is tm doing currently? I want someone to tell me that they've voted for tories because their lives, finances, healthcare, security and social mobility has improved with tory policies. Wealthy people I understand and business owners. But what about the others? So far the only thing I'm hearing is that it could potentially be worse under someone else. Fear is a powerful thing, as is foolish consistency.

I'm railing against the U-turn pottered.

Of course I'm against austerity. It's a flawed, ideologically driven economic system, which stunts growth.

What's to like?

But there's no right answer to that question is there? If I say I've done alright under Tory governments- and I have - you'll just call me a selfish bastard.
My dh, on the other hand, is a civil servant and has been subject to the pay freeze. He has voted Tory all his life, mainly because he believes in prudent management of public finances even where the opposite would benefit him. Also because the sanctimony of the average committed labour supporter makes him want to puke, but that's by the by.

Which is exactly what labour are doing wrong - if you don't hate tories, and your life isn't terrible under the Tory govt you can't possibly be a decent person.

I can't stand the sanctimony either - a lot of labour voters including young people would personally benefit from Corbyn's policies - but somehow they still claim the moral high ground because they're not selfish like tory voters? The whole debate is facetious.