To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

Christina of course they won't agree becuase it doesn't matter and the cut backs people being sanctioned is appalling what does it matter if you struggling now how it was in the 70's. my response was to it's wasn't so bad back then it certainly was becuase our standard of living was lower and attitudes have changed greatly

There wasn't support for single parents until I think 1976/77, very little support for people with disabilities (discrimination laws etc have come about that have changed things) certainly wouldn't have been supported to live independently should they have no one to care for them (and well aware this has to be fought for and at times the care is poor standard)

That's no excuse for how things are now though and people suffering

there was a big hole in Labours manifesto after then first year

To really put their plans into place income tax would have to be raised at the basic rate this is where the large amounts of money are collected from but that isn't appealing to many voters as tax the rich

And with the corporate tax increase we would all end up paying not just the few

The main thing is that Labours Manifesto focuses on growth.

Sadly not the case with the Tories.

Growth?? how?

But..but...we have a Tory Govt now that has just now broken most of their own manifesto promises.

Yet still the attention is on whether the opposition's party's manifesto is feasible.

Do we believe in manifestos or not? If you think they should be carefully costed and rigorously adhered to, then surely you must be bloody enraged at what T.May has done?

Well this thread is about Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM

So the talk is centered around him and the Labour Party

Yes I don't think TM is good news at all

I am happier with the idea of Philip Hammond (mainly as he wants a soft brexit)

brexit is all I really care about and JC didn't bother to hang around for the referendum campaign, he's a brexiteer himself as are most of the hard left

but as i say i voted lib dem anyway and secretly wish they'd done another coalition with the tories

I thought the tory/lib dem coalition was a good government actually

I know but...it seems funny that people are so concerned that the Labour party manifesto doesn't quite add up when the Govt has just entirely abandoned theirs.

What does this mean for manifestos? Do we need to accept that they are pointless and once in power, the majority party will do whatever they like?

This morn on Radio 4, oliver letwin, architect of Tory austerity, admitted it had failed, that that it has strangled growth (hello Keynes).

It's a response to the Labour Party manifesto was costed

I don't vote Tory never have and always labour until this election (would never vote labour under Corbyn/McDonnell leadership). I am glad some things have been reveresed the government is a shambles but Labour never learn (well almost say what you like about Blair he got this) they are up against the most successful political party you want to win against them then you have to appeal to centre ground voters and you have to get your party in order. Labour will carry on with the infighting maybe it's time they split there is too much division in the party and it will move more to the left now they have a mandate to do so

no he didn't say it had failed, he said it needed to be eased.

We don't have an executive presidential system (thank god) but the calibre of the party leader does affect how people vote.
JC is marmite. Either you like him or you think he is a refusenik backbencher who enjoys hanging around with undemocratic types and has shown zero loyalty in his political career for his party.

Marmite is ok sometimes.

Look at JC's behaviour since he 'won' - has he made any concessions to moderates? Has he hell. It looks like he's putting his faith in having a few more months getting his message out giving him a majority.

That manifesto came nowhere near a majority - and I'm glad the tories have also abandoned their manifesto policies - neither of them was popular enough to be implemented.

I don't understand what you mean.

The party in Govt have completely abandoned their manifesto policies -
you think is good - but you find it very annoying that the party in opposition have not?

Can we clarify one thing?

Are you Tories saying that if you go to a music fest, it lessens the value of your political views?

yes - no party had an overall majority. That means neither manifesto was sufficiently attractive, and both parties should be seeking to moderate their manifestos. The tories have done this and JC has not, and he's further away from the majority line than the tories were, so yes, I'd have expected policy movement from labour.

But why bother with a manifesto now at all?

I don't get it.

It's quite astonishing how willingly and knowingly people turn a blind eye to tm's actions and tory failures in general. I don't think jc or labour have all the answers but ffs tories have had plenty of chances to improve this country and look where we are now. Absolute shambles. Yet, so many are willing for more of the same. Maybe slowly people are opening their eyes and realise that tories have failed spectacularly and others need to take charge now.

hmm i'm coming around to the idea that the current labour manifesto is ditched because a new election would mean a new manifesto. I'd assumed the policies in a new manifesto would be unchanged unless labour communicate a policy change but hopefully that's wrong and the next manifesto is better.

His, I'd argue that most people didn't vote tories because of the manifesto but because of brexit and corbyn. So the manifesto or lack of it would make no difference to a lot of them.

But if you're a Tory voter who believes the Tory manifesto was shite and are pleased that their promises are being ignored then why would you be fussing over what the Labour manifesto says or doesn't say?

*How bloody patronising, comments like that are exactly the reason some young people choose socialism.

As for champagne socialists, so what? I had champagne last night, I am a socialist. I'm on benefits too, now get your knickers in a twist. Alternatively, grow up.*

Lol at admonishing people for being patronising & then going on to be patronising.

I like Marmite, make. But I don't like JC. I get a vote. So do you.
If he convinces enough people in enough constituencies, he becomes PM. He didn't. TM didn't. But she still got more seats than him so she gets first dibs on forming a government. She's currently in bed with scumbags. We'll see.
But he didn't win and can't claim a victory.

Dear God clalpolly what are you doing bringing actual facts into the discussion?
Re champagne socialism, you vote for who you like, but I think you have to accept that when you spend your time telling people many of whom may be poorer than you are how we all ought to be happy to pay more tax, some of them will find you irritating.