To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

Safety failures happen under labour and tory councils, labour and tory governments. It's the oversight process that fails, needs to be robust and independent of political leverage at any level of the game. Blindly putting our faith in any party as more moral seems daft to me.

YY potter

If you're talking about the Blair years, that wasn't a Labour government. It was Tory lite. I lived through Wilson and Callaghan governments. There was a vote of no confidence in Callaghan's govt and Margaret Thatcher won the next election. Heath's Tory govt wasn't that much different to Wilson's. Things were generally grim and badly run. The unions ruled the roost.

Yes derxa so did I. It was utterly grim and we lived in a small housing estate with little money. Everyone bloody hated the labour govt by the time callahan got the boot.

Tory lite

Ffs Blair won three consecutive elections you know he gained power so he could make actual changes he knew that you have to appeal to centre voters hence why Corbyn though not that far behind votes wise is with gaining seats

not a lurch back to everything being state owned

We are talking about perhaps trains and energy. No one is suggesting doing away with private enterprise.

Again, Tories...it is time to take a step back. Your core beliefs are based on fallacy. Trying to soldier on, down paths that are leading to pain and suffering and stagnation, is not strong and stable. It weakens and destabilises.

And all of these incidences, that under your system are treated by running about....trying to prop up and patch up.....require proper planning, proper resources. Social care. Health care. Education. National security. Social housing.

Ad hoc doesn't work for these things like perhaps it does with consumer items.

Hate Blair the man, love Tory-lite as a political option.

Would love to see a Socialist-Conservative party started tbh - free market economy with socialist politics.

Yes I'd like tory lite too. I think a lot of people would.

And further, it is a testament to our shared vision. Do we want to be prop up, patch up Britain? Or do we want to build (green) and grow (responsibly)? Doers, makers, creators. Or just slogging along....one crisis to the next.

Again, Tories...it is time to take a step back. Your core beliefs are based on fallacy.

Are you very young make? I am not sure where you are getting your ideas from tbh

sign me up faith - I want socialist principles, and policies that work and are really fair for as many people as possible, if that makes me a red tory, or tory lite, then that's what I am. 70s style economic policies killed jobs, the current tory unfettered free market has no respect for the losers of economic liberalism and market failures aren't being corrected.

Corbyn doesn't have to say he's against free enterprise, that's the impact of his policies, it's a punishment manifesto for SMEs - corporation tax, minimum wage hikes and the lack of respect for economic growth, or the current low unemployment rates. These aren't accidental and they are reversible.

Are you very young make?

Not at all. I can see the finish line. I worry about my grandchildren. Climate change. Resource wars. Continued and accelerated neo-feudal inequality. A return to fear.

The new party would have to be completely disassociated from Typhoid-Tony though, he's far too toxic (and I hate him!).

It would be the true party of the aspirational & entrepreneurial, with a social conscience.

i agree faith - in fact, although I do not like the SNP because i'm anti-Scottish independence for economic reasons, they have done a reasonable job of positioning themselves as this kind of party - although in my mind they should've done more in terms of tax raises and policies.

And further, it is a testament to our shared vision. Do we want to be prop up, patch up Britain? Or do we want to build (green) and grow (responsibly)? Doers, makers, creators. Or just slogging along....one crisis to the next

It wasn't you moaning about empty rhetoric in politics, was it?

I am linking the sound of this party

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a split in the Labour Party in the next few years

I remember the 1970s and they weren't all bad tbh.

There weren't the vast wealth inequalities that there are now. There was plentiful social housing, people could afford to rent or buy on an ordinary income. Schools were patchy, but there weren't teachers leaving in droves like there are now. We had libraries and parks. The NHS pretty much worked.

There is no 'going back' to the 1970s' to be done. The economic and occupational issues that people get their knickers in a twist about arose from powerful, well-organised unions. Legislation passed under Thatcher changed their status beyond recognition.

So who are the people that the current government do care about then, pottered? Definitely not enough about teachers, nurses, doctors and other HCPs to give them a reasonable payrise and enable them to participate in discussions about reforms and new structures.

Definitely not low paid workers (often on zero hours contracts) who can't even afford to rent a whole room.

Definitely not young people who they took the EMA from almost the moment they walked into No 10 in 2010.

Definitely not 'ordinary people' who have greatly reduced access to Children's Centres, libraries and other public resources as LAs have been systematically underfunded.

Exactly who has benefited from the last 7 years of Tory rule?

"I remember the 1970s and they weren't all bad tbh."

So do I. I respectfully disagree with you on this.

There weren't the vast wealth inequalities really

There is certainly a growing gap as more people have joined the middle and upper wage bracket

But the poverty in the 70's that i remember was shocking damp, mound, no carpet, very little food wasn't so unusual the cutting off electricity and gas happened with alarming frequency

Our standards are thankfully higher for some they haven't risen in quite the same way which is of course unacceptable but I think many look back with rose tinted glasses

who has benefited?

• all the people who aren't unemployed - the EU has 1 in 4 young people unemployed - hardly a triumphant last 7 years for the rest of the EU countries.

-Pensioners have benefited from the triple lock, this was a Cameron policy Certainly 2 groups. I'm not defending Tory rule - my case has always been that we need a 3rd option - managed economic liberalism, between the tories and Corbyn's policies.

My mum was threatened with being made homeless because my dad's wage (worked overseas) was a day late and there wasn't enough in the account to cover the mortgage payments. Wouldn't do that now.
And I remember power cuts and bread shortages.
The 70s were dreadful.

Poverty was way worse!

Three day week. Power cuts. Food shortages.

@1ndigo - do I believe the residents warnings would have been heard by a labour council that wasn't subject to the idealistic shrinkage of state/austerity - yes, do I believe that a government not committed to an idealistic bonfire of red tape would not have already reviewed the building regulations/fire regulations in line with the recommendations of the Shirley coroner and lakanal house inquiry and mandated changes - yes

Different ideology - different outcome

No Myrtle but he would have given a shit about those who died, and considered actually talking to Grenfell residents to be part of his job, not beneath him as per TM.