To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

Because of ideology.

Tories have shown over and over and over again that they despise social assistance such as public housing. Things like tenant's rights. Things like safe and habitable conditions.

It leads to things like this. And many other horrible situations.

I understand you are smarting after the election. And that Tory leadership is awful right now. And that a lot of these sorts of things that spring from rotten conservative ideology are coming home to roost. But doubling down on empty rhetoric like "strong and stable" won't help. Or simplistic "magic money tree".

Your ideology is causing pain.
Your ideology is causing suffering and death.
Your ideology is weakening the fabric or society and the economy and our security.

It is a failed ideology. It is morally bankrupt and it doesn't work.

Too much suffering for the few at the top to live like emperors.

Your time is coming to a close. We have seen that. Depart with what honour you can manage.

"Why does Corbyn keep being referred to as a very naughty boy ?"

I assumed it comes from Jeremy Corbyn's joking responses to Theresa May claiming that running through a wheatfield was the naughtiest thing she'd ever done.

'He's a very naughty boy' comes from Month Python's Life of Brian, when the Jesus's figure is being idolised by some fans and called The Messiah. His Mum leads out the window and tells them 'He's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy!'

Monty python

Jesus figure

And the thing is, Tories always go quiet when you mention these things. That social Darwinism is the ideology of oppression. That somehow the poor, the sick, the disabled, the elderly, the workers they see as surplus are somehow lessor people. Losers.

Deserving of their lot in life. Be it cramped and damp, or in this awful case, a flaming death trap. If they had only worked harder, they could have lived in a block with sprinklers.

NO!!!

You won't win this.

'Poor people are basically superfluous for wealth production, and therefore the wealthy want to get rid of them.'

Noam Chomsky

'Deserving of their lot in life. Be it cramped and damp, or in this awful case, a flaming death trap. If they had only worked harder, they could have lived in a block with sprinklers.'

Is that you Lily?

Make is right

Oh right it's from Life of Brian

Wasn't there more of a swing to Tory votes in leave areas that also had a high number of working class voters

The traditional grass roots voters that labour relied on the working class votes very much changed under Thatcher and I don't think class divides when voting are what they were no matter how much Corbyn wants to appeal the to working class

"'Deserving of their lot in life. Be it cramped and damp, or in this awful case, a flaming death trap. If they had only worked harder, they could have lived in a block with sprinklers.' confused

Is that you Lily?"

It's that sort of mocking comment-the "Is that you Lily?" one- that just reinforces the nobody cares about the poor narrative. I would very much like to believe that the Tories don't think like that, but every day that passes convinces me more that they do.

'one- that just reinforces the nobody cares about the poor narrative'

Oh stop it please. We all care. Hence why there's tower blocks all over the country getting the cladding removed. Building regulations will be reviewed and changed. It is terrible that such a tragic event occurred but 'the no one cares about the poor narrative' is insulting and wrong even for lily Allen and Jeremy.

If 'no one cared about the poor' how do you explain the mass evacuation from tower blocks all over the country and the testing and removal of cladding? Surely, if 'no one cared about the poor' the evil government would be sweeping it under the carpet, saying 'oh it was a fluke caused by poor people'.

It is terrible that a tragic event has seemed to have been needed to instigate a change in old regulations , but to say no one cares is totally incorrect.

Sorry to rephrase that, it is shocking that it has taken such a tragic event to make cladding etc all be reviewed and changed. It certainly wasn't 'needed'.

Oh how the angsty middle class corbynoids love to stir up those that are feeling desperate at the moment with their no one cares (but us) about the poor

Rather than working on actual workable proposals working with their own local councils let's plant a seed and hope it grows to civil unrest and what a revolution

This is the Labour Party now

Why so worried Enthua

Believing the rhetoric is a little sad. Think for yourself rather than spouting RW media

The system has always been thus. But it has gone too far. Wanting to tip it back is hardly a revolution. Get back behind your net curtains you will be safe ffs

Myrtle After the fact action is not proof. Look atvthecrespobse for he 1st 5 days if you want proof of how theyvrealky treat the poor

The rest has been to quell the views of the masses. Being seen to finally do something

This is an interesting article that shows there was a swing away from Labour by working class voters in the last election, towards the Tories.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/does-working-class-need-ask-its-labour-party-back

You Tories must intentionally miss the point. There is no other explanation really.

The problem is your ideology, not the mechanics of cladding.

Society must constantly look for ways to improve. Not just cladding, but safety in general. Economics. Health. Education. National security.

When you abdicate this fundamental duty, when you leave it to your ideological God - the Free Market - to take care of things, progress can indeed be made, but it is a progress which distributes rewards unevenly.

This is not necessarily bad, but without some sort of oversight the inequality builds to such a level that things, very basic things, like safety become compromised. And people die.

And people suffer. And sickness goes untreated. And concerts become a risk. And the economy stagnates. And bubbles turn to bust. And those least able to pay the penalty for all of this bear the brunt of austerity.

Is this fantasy? Well no, it has unfolded right before our eyes.

mother you can bet the impact of Grenfell has swung that back but yes. More educated people voted Labour. I don't understand your point there has always been a working class Tory vote. Always

Oh the right wing media line

Oh please some of us have been aware of the left of labour for a long time you know being a member of the party (and before Blairs time before that's line is also thrown at me)

gottobreak - I suppose it just seems to go against the narrative of Labour being the working class party (which of course it hasn't been for many years), and the Tories being the party of the rich/middle income (which is also only partly true).

Politics is very complicated and the motivations behind why people vote one way or another isn't always as predictable as one might imagine.

Makeour - all this rhetorical chanting is all well and good, but what will words achieve?

Referring to "you" and "us" and prophecies of doom "your time has come" etc is pointless hyperbole. What would you suggest on a real, practical and achievable level?

Do you honestly believe that if JC had been in power for the last 20 years, that tower blocks would be in a safer condition? You know, the very same tower blocks built in the 60s with one stairwell and an often broken lift that have stood in every city in the land through successive Labour governments. Really? Would a JC administration have prevented the cladding and checked all fridges?

If you believe that, you are utterly delusional.

You know, the very same tower blocks built in the 60s with one stairwell and an often broken lift that have stood in every city in the land through successive Labour governments. Really? Would a JC administration have prevented the cladding and checked all fridges?
Exactly

A couple of posters on here sound absolutely nuts. Just weird sort of comments about Tories and horses and things. As if everyone who voted Conservative in the last election owns a horse...

I think they yearn for the days of yore when they could wear a donkey jacket with pride and sing along with the Flying Pickets. And all this spitting about "Thatcher" - come on.