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"England"= whole uk

165 replies

Cocklodger · 21/06/2017 09:43

Aibu to get very annoyed with people thinking England is the entire uk?
So if you're British you're very clearly also English. Even to some british people (unreasonable but understandable when it's a foreigner saying it, although it's annoying being asked how things work in "England" when I've never lived there) perhaps I'm more aware As I'm not English but I find it very tiresome (perhaps English people wouldn't notice it as of course in that case it's accurate)
Aibu?

OP posts:
paddypants13 · 21/06/2017 16:21

I'm English but this pisses me right off. I have relatives who live abroad and they keep talking about applying for English passports despite me correcting them time and time again. Now I just role my eyes and mutter good luck with that, there's no such thing.

user1496484020 · 21/06/2017 16:23

We're not the only ones inflicted. Eastern Europeans frequently get mixed up and take it VERY badly.

BeyondOfbob · 21/06/2017 16:28

People also frequently include Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Slovenia as Eastern Europe.
Obviously mixing up former eastern bloc with actual Eastern Europe?

Kursk · 21/06/2017 16:32

MIL alsways tries to correct me when I refer to the UK as England. My response is normally "meh details, details"

We live in the USA and normally just referred to the whole of the UK as England/English etc for ease of communication.

paddypants13 · 21/06/2017 16:33

@BeyondOfbob I say The Netherlands but have Dutch heritage. My relatives say a lot of Dutch people also say Holland when in fact they mean The Netherlands.

IloveBanff · 21/06/2017 16:35

They were chanting "keep Britain English" ok wales, Scotland and Ireland will all just swim off somewhere then

OP, Ireland isn't in Britain.

derxa · 21/06/2017 16:36

We live in the USA and normally just referred to the whole of the UK as England/English etc for ease of communication. Confused

brasty · 21/06/2017 16:43

I have only ever known people saying they have went on holiday to Africa, if they have travelled around a few different countries in that continent.

BeyondOfbob · 21/06/2017 16:43

I will refer to the USA as England from now on for ease of communication

Meh, they occupied it, it's the same thing really. Details, details...

Grin
ThanksMsMay · 21/06/2017 16:44

Or you could just learn Kursk?

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 21/06/2017 16:44

Wales = In England (presumably as a city...)

Wales, South Yorkshire

IIRC there is also a Wales somewhere in the West Country.?

Kursk · 21/06/2017 16:52

ThanksMsMay

Having lived in the UK for 30 years I am well aware of the difference. However personally for me it wasn't an important aspect of my life. Secondly when discussing it in the US I don't have the enthusiasm to correct people.

BeyondOfbob Grin

ThanksMsMay · 21/06/2017 17:03

Seriously bizarre.

AyeHen · 21/06/2017 17:17

YANBU.
This seriously pissed me off during the various WWI commemorations over the last few years.
Ditto 'The Blitz' only being applied to bombing of London.

SenecaFalls · 21/06/2017 17:57

Well, I'm American and I always correct people. It's just a useful little service that I provide. I also have lived in the UK, in one of its countries that is not England.

MiladyThesaurus · 21/06/2017 18:15

The Africa thing is actually the opposite error though. You're substituting the continent for the country (and assuming that the entire thing is homogenous). It's very annoying (especially when you have to mark several undergraduate essays about 'the country of Africa' where everyone is poor and helpless).

Whereas in referring to the UK as England you're substituting the part for the whole (and implying that the rest of the UK doesn't matter). That's also very annoying. Every year I shove my undergraduates (in England) with the revelation that there are different school systems in the constituent countries of the UK. Some of them outright refuse to believe me. DH (English) has been known to refer to the UK as England to, for which he gets a withering look every time. I also find it annoying that he differentates between places in England but refers to visiting my mum in Glasgow as 'going to Scotland' as if it's all the bloody same.

Bloody synecdoche!

MiladyThesaurus · 21/06/2017 18:18

Shove = shock, if I could type.

TKRedLemonade · 21/06/2017 18:43

I am Irish from the rep but did it not bother ppl esp ppl from NI that for the whole of the olympics the team was referred to as Team GB???

Tapandgo · 21/06/2017 18:52

Bewty - same thing happened to me. English pals introduced me as English - I said no, I'm Scottish. They said 'what difference is it' 🙄 I said - 'well, can I say you're Welsh?'.

Look at some old school textbooks - says England and France won the Second World War!

Tapandgo · 21/06/2017 18:54

Kursk - guess you thing Canadians are American too? So much easier eh?

MonkeyLovesRobot · 21/06/2017 19:01

Most people in Hampstead think it's representative of the entire UK.

Drives me bonkers it does.

"If it's what we demand in Hampstead, then everyone else will just have to put up with it, because we know what is best (or money talks)"

OuchLegoHurts · 21/06/2017 19:13

Yes ,TK I am the least nationalistic person I know, but that was seriously offensive

FrancisCrawford · 21/06/2017 19:37

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TizzyDongue · 21/06/2017 19:57

Her Majesty Elizabeth the SecondOf course some of us Scots don't like this either. She's Elizabeth the First for us

This, only sensible, can mean she needs an extension to the title (had to rejig it a bit to make it work):

"Her Majesty, by the Grace of God; Elizabeth the Second, of England, Wales and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms, Elizabeth the First of Scotland; Elizabeth, Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth and Defender of the Faith"

TizzyDongue · 21/06/2017 19:58

Oh meant to say I've notice that there's a tendency in Ireland to use Britain and England quite interchangeable.

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