Men can breastfeed

[shinynewusername]

La Leche League - the US equivalent of the NCT - now claims that men can breastfeed. NB, they are not just talking about transmen (born women), but actual men. WTF?

(Mens' nipples do occasionally produce some fluid, often as a result of disease but to say this is breast-feeding is deranged and insulting to mothers)

Over the weekend, I have also seen transwomen on social media claim that women seeking abortion should feel privileged to have an unwanted pregnancy and a 16 year old student at an American school in Spain reporting how she was not allowed to mention FGM or use the word 'woman' in a class on feminism because it 'triggered' a non-binary male in the class.

AIBU to think this is fucking out of hand? Every aspect of women's identify is being colonised and erased.

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

Some people don't care about the safety of women and girls, that much is clear.

[Datun]

AssignedMentalAtBirth

I completely agree. Her objections after voting, would seem to me to be an overwhelming reason to have voted against.

Perhaps this is me being cynical, but I wonder if there was any horsetrading going on behind the scenes. Which then backfired. Because it's as though she is now coming out vehemently on the other side.

[Fl0ellafunbags]

Right so this breastfeeding thread is really just a vehicle for trans bashing.

[Datun]

zzzzz

Okay, without shouting or being demeaning. You disagree that women need sex based protections, right? Because it doesn't affect you personally. In fact it affects you adversely?

[Datun]

Fl0ellafunbags

This is about the erosion of women's rights. I don't care if it's men, transwomen, or unicorns doing it.

[ThanksMsMay]

Do you remember when words meant something and that I could say 'cat' and you'd know exact what I meant?

Because back in the day "trans bashing" would have meant if not actual violence at the very least 'mean words' and not discussing women's breasts and how they work.

[ThymeLord]

Please report the "trans bashing" you see on this thread. Personally, I can't find a single example but perhaps i'm blinded by terfyness.

[NeoNeoClassical]

ThymeLord

Yes, you're reading it right and the comment from the remarkably predictable shinynewusername which says that anyone which disagrees with their militant views must be a man speaks volumes about them as a person, as a human and why feminism is something that 93% of UK women refuse to identify with.

They need to examine their own opinions and understand why they're standing on an increasingly lonely soapbox whilst moderate humans (20% of women) see feminism as an insult. Her diatribes, devoid of fact, sadden me and I do wish women like her would shut up or carve their own niche as opposed to turning people against feminism. For this last crime, I feel real fury. She's undoing the good of generations of women before her.

[Datun]

zzzzz

It's all part and parcel of the same identity politics. Once things are enshrined in law, you don't get to pick and choose the parts that are convenient to you but inconvenient to others.

If you appreciate that sex segregation is necessary in some circumstances (that's sex segregation not gender), then you will understand that laws to change sex based rights are going to have an impact.

Sex discrimination law has generally worked to help women. Because their biological sex simply does more. if you replace sex with gender identity or gender expression, it renders the definition of the word sex meaningless. All those laws will be affected.

Not only that, but by the time it reaches Parliamentary debate, socially and culturally it's a done deal.

[ThanksMsMay]

militant!!!!

Can I call Bingo yet?

[NeoNeoClassical]

x-post

I posted a thread and some thought it was supporting trans-rights.

I was called a cunt 7 times within the fist 10 posts. 11 of the first posts were deleted. 4 people said they were 'terf and proud'. Their posts were deleted but not mine.

The entire thread was deleted. I assume because MN realised that the thread had shown the true colours of its members and the veneer had slipped. Rather than have a thread with so many deletions, none of which were the OP, they hid the evidence.

[ThanksMsMay]

Oh wait, someone call the OP hairy. Then we're good.

[Datun]

NeoNeoClassical

Without a description of the way some posts are written, what is that you specifically disagree with? I mean the points actually made, not objecting to the way they're made.

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

Neo
Sorry but you are talking mince. Shiney has been entirely reasonable. I have never met any reasonable person who sees feminism as an insult. You must live in an odd world

[Datun]

NeoNeoClassical

I understand that you are pissed off with the anger generated by debates of this nature.

What you need to appreciate is many people are completely saturated by the erosion of women's rights, which is definitely driven by the trans agenda. It's really not about being against people, for the sake of it.

[shinynewusername]

Live footage from Strident Feminist HQ:

[Datun]

So, leaving all complaints about the way people say things, the reason why they are angry, the destruction or not of feminism - what is the actual objection to people being concerned over women's rights?

is it because people don't think it matters in the real world?

Or is it because people think that the erosion of women's rights must be accommodated in order to be inclusive?

[EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans]

zzzzz, so do you think there's never a good reason for sex segregation?

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

I think that some people don't want women to talk about these things at all. Because they think it will upset the men, one can only presume

[AssassinatedBeauty]

Neo how does your denial that rape and sexual violence is an issue help turn women on to your kind of feminism?

[Datun]

zzzzz

What are you scared will happen if you accept that men's nipples can lactate or that we all use the same toilets?

I don't care if men's nipples lactate!

It's about deciding that it is not a sex based action, which requires protection.

No one seriously thinks there are going to be a load of men who suddenly start breastfeeding their babies. It's biologically untenable. If it was something that could actually happen, I should imagine many women would be delighted.

it's about a few weirdos making political capital out of something in order to dismantle the distinction between the sexes, and therefore sex based rights.

It's taking away the meaning of sex discrimination.

[Datun]

It's actually about taking away the meaning of the word woman, mother, breastfeeding, menstruation, pregnancy. All of it.

And you may not care. You may think well those are just words. But when there are laws attached to those words, those words have critical meaning.

The word woman no longer has a meaning in law. Anyone can identify as a woman, legally.

The word woman no longer means adult human female. It does in a dictionary. But in law it also means a feeling in a man's head.