Men can breastfeed

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La Leche League - the US equivalent of the NCT - now claims that men can breastfeed. NB, they are not just talking about transmen (born women), but actual men. WTF?

(Mens' nipples do occasionally produce some fluid, often as a result of disease but to say this is breast-feeding is deranged and insulting to mothers)

Over the weekend, I have also seen transwomen on social media claim that women seeking abortion should feel privileged to have an unwanted pregnancy and a 16 year old student at an American school in Spain reporting how she was not allowed to mention FGM or use the word 'woman' in a class on feminism because it 'triggered' a non-binary male in the class.

AIBU to think this is fucking out of hand? Every aspect of women's identify is being colonised and erased.

Women's Aid is now for men too

FFS it just gets more and more rabit hole every day.

What can we actually do to stop this?

it's difficult to discuss anything when you are so shouty

So hysterical and shouty. Gosh if only women would just calmly and politely ask nicely eh?

From RapeCrisis.org

1 in 5 women aged 16 - 59 has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16 and you accuse the OP of making up statistics Neo? A 2 minute google would find you the statistics.

AssignedMentalAtBirth

From her speech. If I read it correctly, she is still conflating sex with gender. Secondly, she says the gender-based analysis mentioned in the bill is private, secret. No one can access it.

Thirdly, she wanted the word transgender to be used instead of gender expression. Quite rightly identifying gender expression as merely one's appearance. Thereby giving civil rights to fashion preference (which she also points out).

But she spectacularly misses that there is also no one definition of transgender. According to Stonewall, I am transgender.

Human rights should be afforded to all humans. Sex based rights should be afforded on the basis of one's sex. Otherwise they are meaningless.

And who are exploited, objectified, oppressed, impregnated, trafficked, sold and aborted on the basis of their sex?

Women.

And who are not being listened to?

Ffs.

This is all just so depressing, and it seems as if nothing can be done to stop it. Any objection, even those citing FACTS are branded as a hate crime and the objector a TERF. I am so sad for my daughter to grow up in this world if it continues on the path of erasure of women. Life for women, and especially women from minorities, is hard enough already without the total removal of our rights by men.

Ah yes - "hysterical", "shouty" "hyperbolic". How very unfeminine of me.

Don't forget hysterical and shouty silkpyjamas. We all should just calm down and ask very very nicely for our rights and our experiences as women to not be erased.

Regardless the statement that men can lactate doesn't bother me, lactating being something some people do rather than defining for me.

Breastfeeding in public is covered under the sex discrimination law. You cannot discriminate against a woman on the basis of her sex. Except, if gender expression/identity replaces that, you can be. Because 'men' can breastfeed too (transmen, but now natal men too), therefore you're not being discriminated against on the basis of your sex.

As for "general human rights" nope, there needs to be specific recognition that one class of person, women, are the class which get pregnant, give birth and feed babies. Even though not all women can or do do these things , it is the basis of our oppression and so needs to be specifically considered and protected.

Just thought I'd bold that bit of common sense before it is too diluted by the wave of bilge that followed.

ThymeLord

Who's right? You or the OP as they're very different stats and that's ignoring the obvious bias of a source quoted by you when their very existence depends on these figures being alarmist and twisted.

1 in 6 survived rape or 1 in 5 experienced sexual violence?

Of course a single incident is terrible but we need to understand the problems with the collection of such incidents as well as the bias of those collating them.

zzzzz

It's not about making life impossible. It's about changing the law. Laws that were designed to protect women are being dismantled. I don't know why that doesn't bother you.

Even if, in your head, you can't see it affecting you personally, do you not appreciate that these laws were fought for, long and hard because the lack of them were affecting women?

Breastfeeding is not producing liquid from your nipples.

Breastfeeding sustains the life of an infant. Without the right to breastfeed in public, to not be discriminated against because of breastfeeding, my freedom would be significantly curtailed.

RapeCrisis are biased because they depend on alarmist and twisted figures to exist? Am I reading that right?

I like that zzz has called you both shouty and verbose. How very unlady like of you OL

Datun
Yes it is shocking that the Gender Based Analysis is too confidential for even the Senators to read. But I can't understand, given her objections, that she voted for the bill.

Prime Minister Trudeau said:

"We recognize that public policies affect men and women in different ways, and it is important that government understands these impacts. Liberals are committed to ensuring meaningful gender-based impact analysis in Cabinet decision making. A new Liberal government will also ensure that federal departments are actually conducting the gender-based analysis that has been required of them for the past 20 years."

Very nice words, but let me ask: How many of my colleagues have studied or even seen the government's GBA on Bill C-16? I know the answer. The answer is none. Because the government's GBA is not available to the likes of you or me.

No, the GBA on Bill C-16 is too confidential and too private to share with the public who will be affected by Bill C-16, and it's too classified to share with you, the parliamentarians who are expected to consider gender-based analysis before casting your judgment on any bill.

It is disappointing, to say the least, that this government, elected on a promise of conducting "meaningful gender-based impact analysis," refuses to release that very same meaningful gender-based impact analysis for us to consider and weigh. And why is that? In the case of Bill C-16, a bill on gender, we can only wonder.

It's really very concerning

Don't bother Thyme. Any poster who claims to be a woman but says that she has "never lived with the threat of sexual assault" is

a) not really a woman, or
b) not telling the truth, or
c) a lifelong hermit on an otherwise uninhabited island with surprisingly good broadband.

Neo what do you mean by "It's nonsense and an embarrassment to regular women."?

Rape and sexual violence aren't the same thing. That's two different statistics

c) a lifelong hermit on an otherwise uninhabited island with surprisingly good broadband.

That would be lovely. I'm betting A though.

For God's sake, by all means provide care and support to those men who do suffer from domestic violence, but making Women's Aid for men too is downright cruelty.

I think you're right shiny.