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Men can breastfeed

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shinynewusername · 19/06/2017 07:58

La Leche League - the US equivalent of the NCT - now claims that men can breastfeed. NB, they are not just talking about transmen (born women), but actual men. WTF? Hmm

(Mens' nipples do occasionally produce some fluid, often as a result of disease but to say this is breast-feeding is deranged and insulting to mothers)

Over the weekend, I have also seen transwomen on social media claim that women seeking abortion should feel privileged to have an unwanted pregnancy and a 16 year old student at an American school in Spain reporting how she was not allowed to mention FGM or use the word 'woman' in a class on feminism because it 'triggered' a non-binary male in the class.

AIBU to think this is fucking out of hand? Every aspect of women's identify is being colonised and erased.

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Datun · 20/06/2017 00:30

I agree shiney. From the accounts I have read AGP can cause all manner of mental angst. The humiliation aspect creates a lot of shame. Understandably.

Miranda Yardley wants to bring it out in the open. I first thought it might be to sanitise it, but I think it's more about lifting the taboo in order to address it, perhaps with treatment. (It was on a Twitter exchange, and I couldn't follow it all).

For me, it's the singular, most obvious reason to maintain women only spaces.

Patriciathestripper1 · 20/06/2017 00:51

Ffs I'm sick of this shit.
men cannot get pregnant as they do not have a Womb, a uterus or Fallopian tubes.
A man cannot menustrate.
a man cannot carry a baby and give birth.
A man cannot breast feed a baby and produce the nutrients a baby needs to survive and thrive.
Neither can someone 'trans' who thinks they feel like a woman.
Only a woman can do these things!

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 20/06/2017 09:47

This is Stonewall's definition of transgender.

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OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 20/06/2017 11:14

Oh good, apparently I'm transgender according to Stonewall. Does this mean I'm now obliged to go round calling feminists TERF and posting Cis scum DIAF?

Datun · 20/06/2017 11:15

Exactly. An internal sense of self. Which is unverifiable. Completely subjective. And relies on every aspect of the binary for its expression.

In other words, personality.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 20/06/2017 11:21

Everyone except Stepford wives and macho men is transgender according to Stonewall Hmm.

If I had body dysphoria bad enough that I felt the need for surgery, I think I'd be pretty pissed off to be put in the same category as blokes who like a bit of makeup.

Datun · 20/06/2017 11:42

If I had body dysphoria bad enough that I felt the need for surgery, I think I'd be pretty pissed off to be put in the same category as blokes who like a bit of makeup.

I think a lot of them are pissed off. Hence India Willoughby going public to make a distinction.

No one wants to be thought of as an autogynephile or part time cross dresser when being trans carries more weight.

Meanwhile, gender dysphoria is still real and still awful.

If transactivists expended even a fraction of their energy towards a cure, there would be enormous benefit.

ALittleBitOfButter · 20/06/2017 12:10

Still waiting for those anti-feminist feminists from earlier in the thread to comment on the erosion of women's right to breastfeed at work, due to the legislative definition of woman changing...

Fl0ellafunbags · 20/06/2017 13:17

If transactivists expended even a fraction of their energy towards a cure

A cure? Really?

Andrewofgg · 20/06/2017 13:52

Yes, and they can conceive too. And women can beget children. And pigs can fly and farts smell of roses.

Datun · 20/06/2017 15:28

Fl0ellafunbags

I'm not sure why you are questioning that, to be honest. A cure for gender dysphoria would alleviate the misery. At the moment transitioning is treating the symptom.

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