oh dear PMs going to get a lot of hate well deserved.

[hayli]

may couldn't have the decency to visit the victims of Grenfell tower ' due to security threat'
but HM the queen and Prince William were OK to show kindness to those effected.

I agree - it's highly political. But these things have run through successive governments, going back many years.

This tragedy isn't a political issue. It's gross to turn it into one and mask the real issue of responsibility.
It is absolutely a political issue. Social housing tenants being ignored and put at risk by the government for financial reasons IS inherently a political issue. It was a political issue long before the fire. To deny and downplay that is deeply ignorant and offensive to those who lost their lives and homes.

I live very near Grenfell Tower and I've been waiting since January for the council to replace a window their own contractor accidentally smashed. Until last year I lived in a block of flats with no smoke/fire alarms and fire doors that didn't open from the inside unless you gave them a good kick. Don't tell me it's none of my concern.

it's no surprise as Corbyn has stood over the bodies of dead Britons to make his own edgy political points before now.
The bodies of dead Britons the Tories killed. And yes basic human compassion is so "edgy."

That's the beauty of HM, she is above all the political crap.
Um, I really don't want a politician who is "above all that political crap". And she is fairly obviously not "above all that political crap" given she called a completely unnecessary election for literary no reason except to shore up her own popularity and power (and then spent £1.5million on campaigning, while it would have taken £5k to keep the Grenfell residents alive).

Anyway the point is she DID go, but refused to speak to anyone. So it's not like she was tucked away somewhere feverishly working. She was perfectly happy to go on a little jaunt as long as she didn't have to speak to any horrid ordinary people.

I find it disturbing that all the HM supporters regard having empathy as something people do purely for show, like the idea of ever being genuinely interested in or concerned for people is totally alien to them.

very premature to blame the tories after all since 1970 labour have been in government 21 years. corbyns been an mp for 30 years plenty of time to change things if needed i wonder if corbyns ever mentioned fire safety before this happened? actually what has corbyn done in his 30 years of being an mp apart from collecting 3 million pounds and complaining a lot what has he done what has he changed? btw noone knows for a fact whats happened so maybe we should wait and find out what went wrong

has he been complaining about fire safety oh and isnt there a labour mayor and arnt the 3 councillors on the ward labour?

....I think HM referred to Her Majesty (i.e. The Queen), rather than Theresa May!

I think HM referred to Her Majesty (i.e. The Queen), rather than Theresa May!

TabascoToastie

I still do not agree it's a political issue. I think May and Corbyn should have shown unity and gone to visit together. I still find it gross to turn it into a political issue. The govt. of the day is Con and the mayor of the day is Lab. Previously these roles have been reversed. Stand together and get these problems sorted out, not start trying to score points.

Politics needs overhauling, such a filthy disgusting business.

In case anyone's interested, this is the package of support the PM announced for the victims today.

The bigger issue will be why these cladding panels are permitted here when they are banned in the USA and Germany. It will be the fault of successive governments that they have been used in this country. That is Labour and Tory. Political point scoring won't alter that. We have a very good fire safety record in high rise buildings and we became complacent.

There are reports on social media that residents bunged the stairwells up with rubbish. We need a thorough overhaul of what tenants must do to ensure safety and what our building regs allow. I have a flat in a nearby area and around me unwanted paraphernalia is just dumped in the street. Here it was on the landings and stairwell. We need better understanding of safety from everyone.

How can people defend her actions? Honestly look at the news, look at what the victims and residents are crying for! They want their pm to support them!! Get your heads out of your arses and show a bit of compassion.

I was thinking on Wednesday where is Teresa May. I hate twitter with a passion but I understand it is a very important tool for those in the public eye. JC tweeted his shock about the disaster at 9am, TM didn't bother until about 5.30. I just sat there thinking where the fuck is she?? In fact that's pretty much all I've thought since the election results a week ago - where has she gone? It's like she's hiding away, cutting herself off from the rest of the world.

TM drives me mad whenever she's interviewed, because she doesn't answer any of the very important points being put to her, she simply repeats "What I have done .... etc.etc" It's so frustrating and so robotic. She never engages at all. She's just done it again in a BBC interview.

It's not safe for her now because she pissed off so many people not doing it in the first place.

I like TM and she is getting a very unfair press. Just because a lot of Labour voters are exploiting all this politically does not mean all of us are against TM. She has a lot of supporters and is doing a very good job.

She seems to have missed the need for counselling off her piss poor package. The immediate need. Yes they will need housing etc but support to deal with what the hell has happened to them is crucial.

7461Mary18 well you, my dear, are an idiot.

Thanks for that. I am not alone in my idiocy.

Corbyn did not get in.
May is our prime minster.
We are very lucky to have her.

Such a good job. That's why everyone blighted by this tragedy feels so supported

7461Mary18 Ok

My husband voted Tory in the election and the only time we argue is about politics, yet even he agrees that TM is incapable of behaving like a human being and unable to engage with people.

Got to give it to Andrea Leadsom she took her ass down there. And she took a lot of flak. But she took the bull by the horns and did it. My respect for her has gone from quite low to very high. Shame now looking back that she didn't win the leadership contest. She's not afraid to march into the fray and face up to her responsibilities when the needs must. Now if she could do it, why couldn't 'doing a good job' May do it?

FFS, May didn't go to see the Grenfell victims and she was slagged off, so she DID go, and she was still slagged off.

People were bitching on twitter yesterday about what a cow she is for not going, and today, the same posters are bitching that she is only visiting so she can 'look good.'

She can do nothing right in the eyes of some.

I'm amazed that even the most blinkered Conservative voter can't see that TM is utterly unable to relate to ordinary people - she is being tested as a leader severely at the moment and she is failing. Completely.

There was a good article in the Guardian today comparing her response to George W Bush's after Hurricane Katrina - ill-judged and inept. Looks like her new advisers are as useless as her old ones.

labour mp yes
labour mayor yes
labour ward members yes
labour in power for 13 strait years yes
corbyn statement on fire safety before this happened nothing