To think Labour should save their political point scoring re Granffell tower for later on

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I'm actually quite disgusted that Labour are yet again using a tragedy to score political points (as they did with the terrorist incident) so soon after the event.
Yes questions need to be asked, but it seems inappropriate to be doing that right now, when we should all be pulling together and focusing on the victims of this awful accident. There is no need for the political point scoring today.

Hope measures are taken now to ensure this does not happen again.

I think the respectful thing to do is to take our cue from the residents and the survivors.
I've not heard any of them calling for silence.

The OP is a twat trying to stir the shit for her own twisted political beliefs. Spelling out the facts at any time JC will be accused of making political capital.
What would have been nice is TM standing up and saying there will be an open public enquiry into the circumstances leading up to the fire.

Not surprised JC is angry . He tried to introduce a housing bill which would make LL put in sprinklers etc. Guess who voted it down? The Conservatives.

What, like this, husk?

www.google.co.uk/amp/metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/theresa-may-vows-that-action-will-be-taken-after-grenfell-tower-inferno-6709631/amp/

No-one's making this political, it IS political.

The recommendations following the Southwark (Lakanal House) fire were published 3 years ago. Fuck all has been done about them.

Grenfell House was refurb'd last year, by a Tory council and their contractors, and did not include measures recommended after Lakanal House.

Proposals to improve safety in rented property were voted down by the Tories last year and a significant number of MPs voting against were themselves landlords.

If there had been a political will to protect tenants, a lot of lives would not have been lost.

Nothing's been done under recent Tory government. And nothing was doing me under the previous Labour Government. They are as bad as eachother.

For once agreeing with make here. anyone who lives in west London or has even driven through on the a40 knows that GT needed works for years and years. The Labour Party did nothing about it for 10 years.

Kensington & Chelsea council has been Tory-controlled ever since it was formed. Hard to lay their inaction at Labour's door imo.

This is a class issue. Totally.

How anyone can support this man after this is beyond me

How anyone can support this goverment after this is beyond me

Just corrected that for you.

The poor tennants knew.
The council knew
The housing association knew
The govt know.

And the people with the power did absolutely FUCK ALL. Because poor people don't matter.
No sprinklers
No integrater smoke alarms
One Staitcase for over 500 people
And a building covered in fire lighters,
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Agree with everyone who says this is a political issue and should be treated as such.

I find point scoring with people's misfortune reprehensible but I think JC has every right to lay the blame at the Tory council's door. He's been an MP in London for so long that I'd say he has a very clear picture of how inequality affects housing. I know it's not his constituency and London is massive but it's the same story throughout - massive wealth gap and horribly substandard social housing.

Should other buildings be evacuated immediately until the cause is confirmed and steps taken to make them safe?

I think so.

If reports are true, we are housing people in standing, turbocharged crematoriums.

Dandandandandandandan Thu 15-Jun-17 07:43:29
What, like this, husk?

www.google.co.uk/amp/metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/theresa-may-vows-that-action-will-be-taken-after-grenfell-tower-inferno-6709631/amp/

Tooooo Fucking late

Keeping quiet about this tragedy for fear of seeing disrespectful will not help or reassure thousands of other people facing similar risks. The tenants tried for years to have their voiced heard and were shouted down. Now when someone with influence speaks about the issue, it's deemed disrespectful. If we're taking about being disrespectful, I think it's far more disrespectful to hide damning safety reports for several years, and to vote down a bill to ensure homes are habitable to protect your private financial gains.

People living in similar homes across the country need action now. Nobody wants there to be a next time.

I think actually you are trying to make a political point Dandandandandandandan in your avid defence of the Tories and whataboutery re Labour.

It was and is the Conservatives that are in power and as such they are the political party that have questions to answer.
JC is doing the job of the leader of the opposition in asking those questions on behalf of the residents of Grenfall and others housed in similar accomodation... who must be very worried and they need someone in the public eye and who has the power to actually do something about the situation to speak up for them.
Not just mouth platitides and wring their hands.

I imagine that JC is pretty furious that he raised this issue last year I think [?] and tabled an amendment to the Housing and Planning Bill forcing landlords to make homes fit for habitation... which was blocked by the Conservatives.

Maybe we should all wait for the results of the Inquiry before making assumptions on here.

babs then you have more faith in government inquiries than I do.

What we need is for people to get angry and ask questions.

This kind of shit cannot keep happening.

Even the Telegraph appears to be reporting this as a scandal. I don't think outrage at the greed and callousness that has led to is tragedy is restricted to the left. FWIW I very much do consider myself as left-leaning.

Then you have misread me in YOUR Tory hatred and labour fervour, sea. Read my posts, I've said:

Questions yes. Push for questions. Push for enquiries. Push to have the culprits punished (and IF the stories coming from the residents are true, that may also include the guy whose fridge started the fire but who was too interested in packing up his own clothes to alert his neighbours).

Blaming "Tory cuts" when you don't know the cause and just want to push your own agenda - distasteful in my opinion. I'm not defending the Tories. I'm sickened by what I've actually seen on the ground here rather than in the papers. I do think this is the tragic culmination of many years of underinvestment in social housing by governments of BOTH colours (although as I've said, you're naive if you think this block was pure social housing; lots of the original social tenants have made a lot of money here, and a fair few of the occupiers were private tenants).

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-57219349.html

It is a political issue. The residents say it's a political issue. The government was asked five years ago to review the building regulations and did nothing.

Last year Corbyn tried to push for an amendment to the Housing and Planning Bill to force landlords to make homes safe and "fit for human habitation", which the Tories voted down.

What kind of person would vote against making a home fit for human habitation?

I'm afraid, OP, that all you are doing is making a fairly crude and all-too-transparent attempt to score points against Corbyn in order to turn attention away from the real criminals.

When is the appropriate time to raise this issues that lead to this tragedy? Especially, when the residents have been complaining for years without anybody giving a crap. The sad thing is that now is the exact time to raise these issues, when the general public are presented with the consequences of political policies. I think that the overwhelming majority of the victims could not give two f**ks about your sensibilities, sadly it took a tragedy of this scale before any one would listen to what they've been saying for years.

The time isn't later, the time is now and JC isn't to blame for our imperviousness to the plight of our fellow man and politicians making policy to the detriment of its citizens.

I was thinking about this some more. It is truly about the poor not matterin and it all bring about profit.
We converted our loft this year and to meet building regs we had to out in integrated smoke alarms. In some areas you need fore doors too.
How on earth can they have been allowed to get away with this. It truly skunks and how anyone can say JC isn't principled to bring this up. It is quite the reverse and he has gone up in my estimation over the last 24 hours.

Apologies for auto-correct errors.

I'm shocked and disgusted by the safety failures in this building, its the worst fire in my living memory.

However, can we really point the finger at one political party? Yes it was a conservative council but a labour London mayor.

Yes it is a conservative government but I've read another tower block fire occurred in 2009 and the labour government didn't make any changes either. I don't think any politician is whiter than white on this issue.

Fwiw, I'm a landlord and would happily support any change in law which improves safety, I don't want blood on my hands so I adhere to all the safety requirements currently required.

What's the London mayor got to do with it? He was only appointed last year. Repairs to the building were completed last year and were a 2-year project. He had nothing to do with cuts.

This is political. This is social housing with god knows how many people being burnt alive. The Council and government have a lot to answer for.