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To think Tim Farron has awful timing?

167 replies

Flumpernickel · 14/06/2017 18:41

Seriously? He chose today to publicly resign and have his little televised pity party?

Christ, I was relatively ok about the guy before this , but today was not the day!
Angry

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BertrandRussell · 14/06/2017 20:30

"He made the mistake of being a Christian."

No. He made the mistake of not having the liberal values we are supposed to pride ourselves on in this country. You can have those and still be a Christian.

DumbledoresApprentice · 14/06/2017 20:30

Hang on, we're comparing Tim Farron, who has consistently voted in favour of gay rights and access to abortions to the DUP who consistently vote against? That's bonkers. Surely we have to judge him by his actions?

DumbledoresApprentice · 14/06/2017 20:32

Orlantina- He did support gay marriage!

Flumpernickel · 14/06/2017 20:32

Thats a good question not. I cant answer that If I am honest as I am unaffected personally by this tragedy . But It still feels very wrong to see public political bitchslapping and whining going on in such a fashion at the same time.

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Flumpernickel · 14/06/2017 20:34

Totally agree Peach!

I am apalled with them all today. (Well, even more so than I already was)

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TheFallenMadonna · 14/06/2017 20:34

His liberal values were voting in favour of something he presumably had personal reservations about. Thinking something is wrong, but still supporting the rights of others to do it is liberal.

There are various things I think are wrong that I still think people should legally be allowed to do. And I should be allowed to say they are wrong.

BonnieF · 14/06/2017 20:35

Farron has clearly chosen to go today in a misguided effort to bury a bad news story for his party. Particularly as he has been honest about his reasons for for resigning.

He should have waited.

charlestonchaplin · 14/06/2017 20:36

As if the people affected by the Grenfell fire will be caring right now about Tim Farron and whether he stays, goes or jumps in the ocean. Resigning today rather than tomorrow will not harm their cause as the scale of the disaster is so great, it can't be pushed aside by other news or issues.

This is more about the sensibilities of those for whom keeping up appearances is all-important.

Fontella · 14/06/2017 20:37

I’m a Conservative voter, my partner is Conservative – truth be told the whole family is and I don’t make any secret of it on here.

But in the run up to the election me and DP had a disagreement in that he absolutely loathes Corbyn. I argued that I didn’t mind JC because what you see is what you get. There is no pretence or disguise there. Corbyn is an old school socialist and you can find videos on youtube going back four decades and he’s saying then what he says now. I’d never vote for him, but I didn’t dislike him either personally or politically and he didn’t bother me in the sense that I felt no antagonism or dislike towards the bloke, even though his political views are the complete opposite of my own.

Farron on the other hand I could not abide. Every time I heard him speak my shackles would rise, and as a former Lib Dem voter and indeed, one-time active campaigner (if not party member) I’ve never loathed a LD leader as much as I did Farron. I found him shallow, duplicitous, unpatriotic, whingy, whiny and illiberal in his desire to shut people down all the time. I literally could not stand the bloke.

So when I heard he’d resigned I thought ‘good’ and was all ready to come on here and crow and gloat. First place I went to look for a discussion online about it was Mumsnet.

But then I read what he had to say – about his faith, and politics and the dilemma he’s faced in trying to reconcile the two and suddenly I wasn’t so keen to stick the boot in.

Being an old fashioned bible believing Christian is very much out of vogue these days. Most of us are atheists or agnostics and for those who do have a faith, either devoutly or on the periphery, are increasingly in the minority. So despite disliking the man’s politics, what he has to say and the way he says it … I find myself in the unusual position of actually, now he’s resigned, having a heightened level of respect for him.

“The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader. A better, wiser person may have been able to deal with this more successfully, to remain faithful to Christ while leading a political party in the current environment. To be a leader, particularly of a progressive liberal party in 2017 and to live as a committed Christian and to hold faithful to the Bible's teaching has felt impossible for me"

Whether you agree with him or not, this is a man who has made a decision of ‘conscience’ based upon his own personal beliefs, which shows there is a moral battle/dilemma going on there. So many politicians it seems are devoid of that kind of inner turmoil and will say or do or behave in the most self beneficial way without giving a tuppeny shit about anything else.

Farron on the other hand has clearly been a man in turmoil, wrestling with his faith and his politics. For me, I’m not sorry to see him go but I do indeed have a better opinion of the man than I did previously.

Flumpernickel · 14/06/2017 20:37

"This is more about the sensibilities of those for whom keeping up appearances is all-important."

???ConfusedHmm

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TheDogAteMyGoatskinVellum · 14/06/2017 20:37

But the media focus staying solely on the disaster isn't what happened OP. There was attention on Farron before he spoke. And tbh, Paddock going was big news. It's on all the major UK news sites. Notice that lots of other posters were aware of it. You not knowing about it before you started this thread isn't evidence that the matter hadn't drawn attention.

Niminy · 14/06/2017 20:38

Bertrand it depends what you mean by liberal.

Does it mean 'views on sexuality and abortion that are socially liberal' or 'I disagree with your views but I would fight for your right to express them'?

As a pp said, TF was the second kind of liberal rather than the first kind. That's what I don't like: regardless of his actions - that is, his voting record - he is being punished for having the 'wrong' opinions.

TheFallenMadonna · 14/06/2017 20:39

The story can't be buried. It's not a one day thing. There will be a leadership contest. Admittedly, not everyone will have noticed mind you...

NotYoda · 14/06/2017 20:40

charles

This is more about the sensibilities of those for whom keeping up appearances is all-important

Yes, I think that's what I'm getting at. It seems to me that people are being held to ransom for not emoting enough in the right way

Fine - the OP and others don't like Farron, but this hasn't been buried and therefore it's unfair to link the two things

"He's a wanker and he doesn't care about people being killed"

derxa · 14/06/2017 20:41

Farron on the other hand has clearly been a man in turmoil, wrestling with his faith and his politics. For me, I’m not sorry to see him go but I do indeed have a better opinion of the man than I did previously.
I agree.

Orlantina · 14/06/2017 20:45

Orlantina- He did support gay marriage

Did he?

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/whats-tim-farrons-track-record-on-lgbt-rights

charlestonchaplin · 14/06/2017 20:45

Yes Flumpernickel. It's all about the show of 'respect' for the Grenfell victims that means today is bad but by tomorrow it's fine. Realistically it makes no difference to those affected by Grenfell. It only matters to people like you without too much to worry about.

Flumpernickel · 14/06/2017 20:46

Where in my OP, did I say, that I did OR didn't like Farron? notyoda

I have no feelings about about him one way or the other as I have repeatedly stated. I questioned the timing of his resignation/self indulgent speech under the circumstances. That's all, please dont put words in my mouth, or suggest that I have unspoken political motives. I would have said the same about any politician today, from any end of the spectrum. And I have also criticized TM and Corbyn here for their piss poor handling too.

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BertrandRussell · 14/06/2017 20:47

Princess Diana has a lot to answer for.............

leghoul · 14/06/2017 20:47

C4 news we are all sinners

Flumpernickel · 14/06/2017 20:49

Oh sorry charleston here I was making the mistake that this was an internet forum for open discussion on thoughts and opinions? I do apologise, clearly I should not use it for this purpose as I have "too much to worry about".

I will promptly head over to baby names like a good little mumsnetter.

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NotYoda · 14/06/2017 20:50

OK, well I don't agree with you. You said in your OP that it was insensitive. You don't like politicians. I don't agree that it shows anything about him or politicians in general

NotYoda · 14/06/2017 20:52

.... sorry, you implied it was insensitive. You didn't say that outright

DumbledoresApprentice · 14/06/2017 20:54

There have been 5 votes on gay marriage whilst he's been an MP. On four occasions he voted for gay marriage and on one occasion he was absent. He has never voted against gay marriage.

NotYoda · 14/06/2017 20:55

It reminds me of people complaining about who did or didn't play in the concert in Manchester. As if someone's attendance indicates their deep empathy, or their lack of attendance indicates their lack of empathy

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