To think Tim Farron has awful timing?

[Flumpernickel]

Seriously? He chose today to publicly resign and have his little televised pity party?

Christ, I was relatively ok about the guy before this , but today was not the day!

Sorry, niminy-that's bollocks. He has said publicly that abortion is wrong and gay sex is a sin. How can he possibly be leader of a party that believes something completely different? It's not about religious tolerance at all.

No I wouldnt. I couldnt give a fat flying fuck about Farrons political future ir the lib dems. What I care about, is him making a big cunty televised speech about how fucking hard done by he is (boo fucking hoo) without even a nod to a day when poor families are mourning their beautiful children and family members.

Farron's faith says that it would be wrong for /him/ to have a same sex relationship.

It doesn't though. Lots of Christians believe homosexuality is OK. There are loads of gay priests.

No worries scribble.

That other post above by me was aimed at niminy btw.

I think by going quickly he's got it over and done with quickly. I think it's a shame he resigned. Elizabeth I, almost 500 years ago said that she wouldn't "make windows into men's souls". She said she would judge people on their actions and not probe their personal beliefs. If we've regressed back beyond that then it's a real shame, I think. Tim Farron should be judged on his voting record which is overwhelmingly liberal. He has defended the rights of gay people consistently. Who cares what he believes if as a public servant he defends everyone else's freedom to believe what they like and live their lives as they choose?

Like this nod?

I don't like Farron's speech. I just think the problem here is Paddick and it could have waited until tomorrow.

I thought the same op. What crass timing. Absolutely so insensitive .

Noeuf. I was referring to the lack of acknowledgement during the speech. Not a tweet.

It's not a cheap shot. JC is just saying what the residents, not to mention half the country, have been saying for years.

Cutting public spending always has a cost and it's always, always the poor who pay.

Actually, during the election campaign he restated that he supported his party's policy and that that is the policy he would continue to support. That is what leadership in a parliamentary democracy is all about. It is not about one's own opinions lining up on every point with party policy, but about signing up to collective responsibility. However, his attempts to do this were undermined by constant media attention to his faith.

As it happens I am one of the many, many Christians who think that sexuality in all its forms is to be celebrated, that gay marriage is a great thing (and that gay people should be able to be married in church), and that the current limits on abortion should not be changed. And I'm not a LibDem either.

Dan
But firemen were still rescuing people until recently. Lots of people haven't been found. The cause is unknown. Which is why I find corbyn going on the news and saying "it was definitely caused by Tory cuts" to be inappropriate. You don't have to agree with me. But I think it stinks of promoting himself, not the concerns of the residents - those are out there all over the press anyway (as they should be)

Sorry but I completely disagree. This is the best opportunity available to actually get attention on this issue so it can't be ignored. Corbyn speaking out doesn't prevent the firefighters from doing their job and it doesn't prevent relatives grieving.

Waiting a few more days would not help the relatives pursue those responsible, as this incident will no longer be front page news but buried in amongst other issues such as Brexit, the Tory / DUP coalition and the Queen's Speech. Hearing the stories of those affected means the impetus for action is strong at the moment, but when the news dies down, unfortunately, the public gives it less attention and so it's easier for those responsible to get away with it.

Today is the optimum time for speaking out against this tragedy so that those responsible are held to account.

I think there's a fairly good chance that if he hadn't said it, someone would have leaked it....

Flumpernickel I'd like to think there was enough compassion in the world to feel the grief and horror of this terrible fire and to feel anguished for the people who've lost loved ones in it, and to feel sympathy for someone whose career has been cut short unjustly.

grumpy, I said 'Farron's faith'.

Faith is a personal journey, his interpretation of Christianity is a matter for him. There's thousands of ways to interpret the bible. His faith is the most important thing to him - or do you think all muslims believe the same? Jews?

Dixie - maybe you missed the part where I said that I LIVE VERY NEAR IT. So um - yeah. I get it. Far more than you could imagine

What - you live in social housing in RBKC too? I doubt it. Or you would, as a pp said, be going to bed tonight worrying about how safe you were going to be.

I'd think that someone in RBKC who was living in a private home was miles away from Grenfell House in many ways.

niminy are you being deliberately obtuse? Or have you completely missed the point of my thread?

This is not about sympathy toward Tim Farron. I DONT CARE. This is about HIS and apparently also Paddicks timing. That speech was not at all necessary today and was grossly self indulgent.

Flump he's not going to write it into a speech about his resignation is he? All we see in the clips is his actual official resignation speech.

You didn't know he'd been pushed by Paddick and you're grasping a bit now.

I think resigning today was unfortunate but I believe he was pushed into a corner on that one. With the prospect of another election soon, the media are in a frenzy for any information. They would have acted like a dog with a bone, recycling images of Farron trying to deflect questions about his leadership until he was facing the same accusations of attention seeking.

I don't think he was getting to make out he was some victim. I think he, quite rightly, was pointing out that his personal beliefs became the only story which deflected from party policy. Nobody was asking TM over and over on her lgbt voting record.

It is absolutely liberal for him to have one view but vote differently due to his belief that others live in a way that he wouldn't and they should have the right to do that. Demanding that everyone holds the same views as you is the height of illiberalism.

Theresa May should resign for her Christian beliefs. Oh wait, hers are only just for show - they are not reflected in how she behaves, so that's OK.

They would have acted like a dog with a bone, recycling images of Farron trying to deflect questions about his leadership until he was facing the same accusations of attention seeking.

Yes. And also of using the tragedy to try and hang on for longer, deflect etc.

Grasping? I watched the speech. I know how it came across, Paddick or not.

If you want to slavishly defend the indefensible, then by all means fill your boots. However, do not patronise me and accuse me of "grasping" because I was offended by this embarrassing display on a sombre day. I cannot help being human. It would be nice if politicians in this country could for once attempt to be the same.

So let me get this right. It's ok for Tim Farron to be comfortable with lying during the election campaign that his personal beliefs are hunky dory with his religious beliefs as now he admits they're not but he is uncomfortable with 2 people expressing their love for each other . Funny religion he follows