To think Tim Farron has awful timing?

[Flumpernickel]

Seriously? He chose today to publicly resign and have his little televised pity party?

Christ, I was relatively ok about the guy before this , but today was not the day!

I don't think he's the greatest leader our party has ever had, by a long stretch, but I don't understand the disconnect between liberalism and faith. You're basically saying that the leader of a liberal party must be an atheist. Attached is from his message to the party, it's perfectly feasible to have a set of personal beliefs and be 100% behind others rights to hold theirs. I'm an atheist but would absolutely defend the right of others to live their lives in accordance to their own choices. Farron's faith says that it would be wrong for /him/ to have a same sex relationship. There are many parts of the bible (and the Koran, and the Torah, and many other religious books) that are incomparable with modern life - it's about finding your own faith, and your own way of interpreting those words, that matters to me. I'd much rather a religious liberal than an atheist conservative (small 'l' and small 'c'!)

I do agree with your point about timing though.

*incompatable

right. And it absolutely needs to be looked at, and heads need to roll for this. Residents were given poor advice; alarms were too quiet; lots of factors will have aggravated it.

But firemen were still rescuing people until recently. Lots of people haven't been found. The cause is unknown. Which is why I find corbyn going on the news and saying "it was definitely caused by Tory cuts" to be inappropriate. You don't have to agree with me. But I think it stinks of promoting himself, not the concerns of the residents - those are out there all over the press anyway (as they should be).

But Bertrand - The Maybot is already doing that:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-tower-fire-theresa-may-emergency-meeting-london-kensington-blaze-fall-out-uk-prime-minister-a7789396.html%3Famp

I am definetly not saying that scribble unless I have misunderstood and you are aiming that at someone else. I actually dont care about his reasons today. Tomorrow maybe, but today? Nope. The idea that mothers were throwing their babies out of windows to save their lives this morning, and his first thoughts today were to do a public statement on how tough leading the lib dem party has been for him, just doesnt sit well with me at all.

Farron's timing stinks.
It was inappropriate for Corbyn to be political point scoring before the fire had even been extinguished.
May seems to have disappeared.

I think tbh, there has been a political clusterfuck regarding the handling if this tragedy today. Tims cunty timing, corbyns point scoring excercise and Mays virtual silence. Unbelievable that this is where we are at today.

I think Tim Farron doesn't have a leg to stand on. He can not answer questions he is asked and evades issues because of his christian beliefs. He has not been able to convince people about himself as a leader.
I don't know what made Brian Paddick with his background choose today to resign but this whole thing feels a bit odd and out of tempo with what is happening nationally.
Poor judgement.

Dan, you're complaining about Corbyn's "inappropriate" comments, but you've shoehorned your indignation into a thread that isn't about him.
I don't think he's wrong, but it wouldn't have crossed my mind to bring it up here.

Agreed flumpernickel.

As for farron - his timing sucks too, but I am glad he has gone. I feel that with a better leader the LDs might actually have been a credible option at this time of unparalleled political shitness.

I agree. It was beneath him to do it today. He could have waited for his little foot-stampy moment.

I don't think faith precludes liberalness at all
But I do think saying, very publicly, as a leader of a political party, that gay sex is a sin is reasonably incompatible with liberal values

Dixie - maybe you missed the part where I said that I LIVE VERY NEAR IT. So um - yeah. I get it. Far more than you could imagine!

There is a huge difference between saying that there have been terrible failings on the part of someone, or more likely a few someones at several organisations and that questions must be asked - which is what Khan said - and claiming that you already know exactly why it happened and using it to further your own cause rather than the residents' needs.

In fairness, Corbyn himself said again and again, in response to repeated questioning by reporters, that today was not the day to be asking questions or pointing fingers, but was for helping those that could be helped, supporting everyone affected and having regard for the work of the emergency services. He said that tomorrow was for asking questions that most definitely need to be asked.

Farron resigned because the moment Paddick decided to publically go, pointing the finger at Farron, radio stations were speculating and there would have been much more air time devoted to will he stay/go. Better to go quickly and cleanly rather than distract attention. If anyone's timing is questionable it's Paddicks.

Yes I agree Paddick could have waited. He pretty much had to go after that and quick.

Hmm, never liked him but I'd say, timing wise, he was pushed in to it by Brian Paddick and his comments. Maybe he thought it best to go immediately rather than have it drawn out and discussed at length. In that respect maybe you should be hailing him as he has tried to minimise the fallout? If you want to blame someone, blame Paddick, he chose today first, tweeting it at 2.08pm on the 14th June, 2017. The day our emergency services are once again behaving heroically in the light of unbelievable events and the day at least twelve people have died in the Grenfell fires. I'd say, well done Tim Farron for getting this over and done with within hours.

And I was warming to Faron over the election. But the poor persecuted Christian routine really pisses me off.

Paddick's resignation was obviously designed to get Farron out. There was going to be a coup against him. He went before he was pushed. I'm sure he didn't choose the timing. But I feel a bit sick about what it says about the growing intolerance in our society that it wasn't enough for him to hold to the collectively agreed policy of his party but had to be grilled about his faith.

White middle class men so very persecuted

Well, In fairness, I was unaware about Paddick when I first posted this thread So I agree that he also has cunty timing. That not withstanding, I certainly do not think Farron is some sort of unsung hero and did this quickly out of overwhelming compassion for the victims of the tower block. Self interest was the only motivating factor, his speech made that perfectly clear.

Paddick's the problem, not Farron. As soon as he'd gone, Farron was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. The alternative would've been him not going today and having to deflect questions about his resignation by saying he wasn't going to take any action, discuss the matter etc, due to the tragedy. In which case, people like you OP would be making threads saying isn't Farron a shit for using this as an excuse not to resign.

So YABU. Also, Bertrand is right about Corbyn.

Sorry flump, I did acknowledge that I was posting off topic in my second post. Unwisely was distracted by discussion further down the thread than your OP - apologies.