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To not tell my ex that I'm moving 100 miles away

110 replies

Hopelessat30 · 13/06/2017 19:54

Ive planned to move back to my hometown. My I'm desperate to move back. There's nothing keeping me here anymore.

My ex will be devastated but he is no help to me. He took a job with changing hours, is a nightmare to get maintenance out of and bad mouths me to his family. In some ways he's a good dad and my toddler loves him but I feel completely alone as a parent.

I need to move back to be near my family. I'm miserable here with only his awful family nearby.

They are controlling and can be quite threatening. They will try and stop me moving near my family.

My son is too young for school and I have a new job to go to. My ex sees our son every other weekend although he never arranges this and it's never consistent.

Would it be really wrong of me to move first and then meet up with my ex and tell him I've moved?

He could easily move nearer if he wanted. He won't bother though.

I know he can go to court but I'd be surprised if he won. I'm going to obviously let him see our son whenever he wants. But I need to move back to be nearer family.

I'd not have moved if I had support here.

AIBU to move and tell him after? Does he need to know my new address? He's quite threatening and I'm worried he could turn up at my house or my parents house.

He's not violent but can be verbally nasty at times.

OP posts:
Trollspoopglitter · 14/06/2017 08:08

Please do not listen to posters saying there is nothing he can do. None of us know the details of your legal arrangements, so writing that is simply misleading.

Google "Prohibited Steps Order” and "internal relocation" and research how it applies to you.

lastrose123 · 14/06/2017 08:42

2hours is nothing. Do you think if he decided to move he would consult you? He will still be able to see his child. I would start making preparations and when it looms as though it will work out then tell him. It is very reasonable for you to be near your family. Any grandparents who want to take a child away from its mother need a bit of distance but they will still have access. You have to get on with your life and not sacrifice it to these people.

Alittlepotofrosie · 14/06/2017 08:50

2 hours isn't nothing if she's going to be the one doing all the travelling every other week. Actually scratch that, its the child who will have to do the travelling every other week. Or could be every week, op hasnt been clear on that. Whether he wants to or not, he'll have to do it just to maintain a relationship with his parent because of a decision his other parent made just to suit her own self. Yup this is definitely in his best interests. Hmm

VelvetSpoon · 14/06/2017 08:52

Unfortunately I think the OPs mind is made up. I predict she will move and not tell her Ex that she's moved or indeed where she's gone. So he'll have no idea where she is or how to maintain contact.

The selfishness of some parents is extraordinary.

My Ex is a total prick (EA, DV, the lot) but I've never prevented him from seeing our DC. As teens they now vote with their feet and spend little time with him but when they were younger though it might have personally suited me to move and indeed benefitted both me and the DC in terms of living in a cheaper area, more disposable income etc, I knew it would be grossly unfair to their dad, and their relationship with him. Plus being only a few miles away as we are meant they could see him more often but for less time (an evening or afternoon once or twice a week rather than a full weekend EOW).

sufficatedsue · 14/06/2017 08:55

I get you, but you need to do it properly. Talk to your ex, see if he'll step up to the mark and sort himself out to be more supportive. Give him that ultimatum and if he doesn't bother then go

lastrose123 · 14/06/2017 09:11

It is not selfish to want to make a better life for yourself and your child. Having looked into the possibilities you will be better able to talk to the D about it. Reasonable people would share the travelling. My step son has a great relationship with his D despite many difficulties. Including travelling 2 hours to see him and then being told it's not convenient. I travel to see my grandchildren. It is all possible.

VelvetSpoon · 14/06/2017 09:17

It is selfish, and even if she does let him know where she is (which I think is unlikely) so contact can be maintained, the child will end up doing a lot of travelling which isn't ideal. Yes it can be made to work, any situation can ultimately, but it's still selfish because it will be the child who has to compromise.

And that's always assuming the dad is even told and given the opportunity to continue contact.

Oldraver · 14/06/2017 09:32

Just do it and tell him afterwards. If he cant be a decent father then he can deal with the aftermath

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/06/2017 09:40

Do what Trollspoopglitter suggested at 07.48. You know he and his his family is nasty. Don't give them a reason to take you to court. If you are working, could you also leave your ds down there for a week, somehow document he's being looked after your parents if you can't stay down there yourself? Go and collect him at the weekend. Then do the same a couple of weeks later. I imagine this will also be an illustration of family support. Or could your family come and stay with you temporarily? I think you need legal advice.

SmashingBlouses · 14/06/2017 09:54

A friends ex did this to him. Didn't tell him the address or phone number, just went. He wasn't abusive or anything and he wanted contact, she was just being vindictive. He got depressed.

I know this isn't what you want to do, but just consider how it would feel if the shoe was on the other foot and there was no attempt to compromise and this situation just happened to you. You may be able to compromise and meet half way with travel expenses etc, which would be much better for you DC than starting what could potentially be a long running feud.

You need to do what's right for you if you're

SmashingBlouses · 14/06/2017 09:57

Sorry pressed post early!

You need to do what's right for you if you're struggling and are unhappy, but I think it's better to talk to everyone about it and be honest about how you feel where you live now to avoid potential conflicts. People understand that for a child to be happy, mum needs to be happy too.

Lweji · 14/06/2017 09:58

He wasn't abusive or anything

I don't think anyone outside of the relationship can ever say that. Often we simply don't know.
We can detect abuse, but it can often be hidden.

Lweji · 14/06/2017 09:59

I'd lose all control over my son

OP. Think about those words. Is this about the child or about your control?

SmashingBlouses · 14/06/2017 10:07

I know this person very well. Never can be 100%, but I'm pretty certain. It did get sorted out in the end and she did say she was in the wrong for doing it, so I think there probably wasn't any issue with that, just emotions going awry after a break-up and a bad decision. He forgave her and they talk now, but it took ages to get to that point.

Italiangreyhound · 14/06/2017 10:30

zippey "Can you ask your family to move closer to you?" So now the OP's parents as well as the OP need to dance their lives around the dad.

"I know the OP doesn't paint her ex in the best light but we only have her words. His point of view would be much different."

That's the thing with Mumsnet, you only ever get one side of the story. Always.

"I just think it's almost evil to take a child away from a parent without so much as a consultation, mum or dad." She is not taking their son away from his dad, she is moving closer to her parents, commutable distance. No real issue. Unless the ex wants to make it so. Now why would he want to do that?

So he could see more of his child more (who he is not seeing much of now - even though he is very close geographically), or simply to piss off and control his ex! My guess is on the later!

"...how to come to a compromise." What compromise should there be on a man controlling where his ex partner can live!

Can she control where he lives? I can see if she was moving a long way away that this would be an issue but the OP can make it very easy for her ex to see his son.

The OP can have those ideas of how contact will work and present them when she needs to. I would suggest OP you work out how the relationship will be maintained and work at its current level and tell him when the time is right. Do get legal advice to avoid any nightmare scenarios, but do no be scared by ideas that he is a super dad and will be able to prove this, it is only a problem if he genuinely is a great dad but from what you say he is not.

Trollspoopglitter "He's already suggested he has his son full time, and will most likely be able to prove evidence of a stable, supportive environment in front of a judge."

Where are you reading that he wants his son full time? Where are you reading that this man who makes paying maintenance and seeing his son difficult for all be, able convince a judge that he is a good dad?

"Let's say you move without telling him. He goes to court. Try to imagine how he can make it look. Do you have any evidence he or his family is controlling/bullying you? Is it just your word?"

Good point, get all your evidence, screen shots of emails and texts, encourage all contact to be through email, text or recorded message, if you can, so you will have evidence of what he says.

"He can tell the judge you're the controlling one and won't allow him to see his child." But only if that is true, if you are making access to his son easy for him and he is making it difficult - get a record of all this, and also of how he is not making getting maintenance difficult.

"His proof? He wanted a partial custody, as he felt you weren't mentally coping. You refused and then moved his child 100 miles away without informing him - at all. Can you see how that looks to a stranger who has two completely different versions of events being told to him?"

That is a good point but only if the dad is able to prove he asked for partial custody, I am not sure he did that at all. His parents, I think, offered to take the child all the time, which I would see more as a threat than a seriously kind offer.

Do you have evidence of his parents wanting to take your child? Any emails or messages, OP?

Italiangreyhound · 14/06/2017 10:34

Trollspoopglitter, Sorry to copy this, cheeky but it is such great advice...

"I understand your needs, but you need to be smart about this and think long-term damage. Get a formal arrangement made with his visitation. Then when he breaks it and doesn't see his child as much, you have proof to show court he only sees his child X times out of the agreed upon Y times as is and it shows why his request to court may be unreasonable." Sounds like good advice, but get it all checked out, OP, before you do anything.

I like this advice. "Go visit your family for a few weeks. Come back, go visit again for a month. Gradually start moving items because you need them there for the short stay. Then, when you can prove an established family support network, a new job opportunity will have suddenly presented itself. You get your family around you and you tell your ex with your family around to support of your decision that you will be moving. You have a reasonable and fair contact plan to present your ex. You have witnesses to any ranting/raving. Be smart about this." *Excellent advice.

Italiangreyhound · 14/06/2017 10:45

Trollspoopglitter Although you have given some excellent advice I am not sure how you can say.."She's an adult who CHOSE to move and live 100 miles away from them in the first place. She wasn't bloody forced out of the family bosom and coerced into having a baby with some stranger. She chose it." Unless you know her how can you know her back story? Maybe she chose to move to be near her partner, or maybe she was coerced to do so. We do not know. It is not 100 s of miles it is a hundred miles.

bibliomania · 14/06/2017 11:58

Oh come on, Italian, no point inventing a whole sinister back-story.

Why don't you want to tell your exp, OP? If he consents to your move, there is no problem at all, so are you assuming he will not consent? In that case, he has legal mechanisms to oppose the move after it happens, and you will be on the back foot in court. They will not be impressed by your actions. You potentially face solicitors' fees or the strain of self-representing in what may be multiple court appearances, and a likely ruling that you arrange all the travel for contact for at least the next decade.

You may get away with it if he doesn't bother with legal action, but if he does, you are putting yourself in a position that is potentially expensive and challenging and could go on for a very long time.

bibliomania · 14/06/2017 12:06

Posters need to be careful about advising you based on what they think the law should be rather than what it actually is.

Might be worth posting on Legal Matters on mn - lots of family solicitors there. Best of all, though, make an appointment and talk to a solicitor in real-life. It may save you a lot of heartache down the line.

KarmaNoMore · 14/06/2017 12:10

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Italiangreyhound · 14/06/2017 12:48

bibliomania "Oh come on, Italian, no point inventing a whole sinister back-story."

What do you mean? Because I am considering that a quite threatening man who can be verbally nasty at times might possibly have not allowed his partner full freedom in where she lived? Because I will not take it as read that she chose to live their and chose to have a baby knowing exactly what it would be like?

Sorry, but men are not always fair, it's hardly;y a news flash!

Italiangreyhound · 14/06/2017 12:51

bibliomania "Posters need to be careful about advising you based on what they think the law should be rather than what it actually is."

Several people have repeatedly said seek legal advice. I totally agree the OP needs legal advice.

What Io think we can give the OP is the strength to see that where she and her son live for the next 15 years should not be at the whim of a man who is difficult about maintenance and contact and has the other traits the OP mentioned.

Italiangreyhound · 14/06/2017 12:52

OP? How would you describe your ex's relationship to his son and vice versa?

Be honest, you can tell us how things are if you want help. If he is quite threatening and verbally nasty at times with you, how is he with your son, do you see them together?

Italiangreyhound · 14/06/2017 12:54

Alittlepotofrosie (child) "he'll have to do it just to maintain a relationship with his parent because of a decision his other parent made just to suit her own self. Yup this is definitely in his best interests."

It is clearly in the child's best interests and remaining where she is unsuported and maybe struggling financially is clearly in no one's best interested, not even the dad, who seems not to be too bothered about seeing his son. Parents make all kinds of decisions on behalf of their children. The OP is looking out for herself (big crime a woman caring about herself) AND her son.

belmontian · 14/06/2017 13:00

Would it be really wrong of me to move first and then meet up with my ex and tell him I've moved?

Yes it would be wrong, not in the best interests of your ds and in court this could go against you.