Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To feel sorry for Theresa May

321 replies

thinkiamgoingcrazy · 12/06/2017 06:39

I think she has been an awful PM: evasive / divisive / arrogant / authoritarian / sneering / dog whistling.

I am glad that she no longer has a majority, hopefully allowing more voice to the many and diverse opinions in the oppositions as well as in the moderate wing of the Tory party.

I am also glad that we are apparently going back to government by cabinet meeting rather than by advisers (probable overstatement I know).

And yet I feel sorry for her Confused. Now a puppet at the mercy of her ruthless party.

She reminds me of Glenn Close at the end of Dangerous Liaisons.

OP posts:
EvilDoctorBallerinaDuck · 12/06/2017 14:19

YABU. HTH.

MrsDanversKnickers · 12/06/2017 14:21

You make you bed, you lie in it. As my nan used to say. However sexist comments because she is a woman are not ok.

The80sweregreat · 12/06/2017 14:27

I have never ever voted Tory, but i can see where your coming from with this. However, politics is a brutal business and it sounds as though she only surrounded herself with a few people she trusted and ignored everyone else. You would think that she would have learnt after all these years what to do, but maybe she was just out of her depth. She started off well and ended badly, it happens to people.
I cant imagine that the 1922 committee will banging the table for her this afternoon - she is on dodgy ground. Be interesting to see how it all pans out - the country is a mess and for this reason i dont have huge amounts of sympathy, but maybe just a smidgen for a human being who really messed up. I have in my life at times too, we all do, but we dont have a country crashing around behind us , thats the difference i suppose.
I dont have it in me to hate and when George Osborne said what he said yesterday about her, even I winced a bit. you need a thick skin to be a politician of any colour! I couldn't do it, but they are a breed apart.

frogsgoladidahdidah · 12/06/2017 14:32

My mum told me off for gloating this weekend.

I have no sympathy though, she brought it all on herself.

Am waiting to see how long until
she resigns now...

Original poster
thinkiamgoingcrazy · 12/06/2017 14:38

when George Osborne said what he said yesterday about her, even I winced a bit - yes they don't exactly take any prisoners do they though it was a bit amusing.

Apparently when she sacked him she told him he should get to know his party better - WTAF?

None of it is an edifying spectacle of compassion and humanity.

OP posts:
Original poster
thinkiamgoingcrazy · 12/06/2017 14:39

And that's what gets me the most - even after the election May seems to have spoken more about the party then the country.

The sooner we lose the 2 party system the better IMO.

OP posts:
squoosh · 12/06/2017 14:40

Apparently when she sacked him she told him he should get to know his party better - WTAF?

The smirk on his face when he said that. He is the gloatiest thing ever at the moment!

The80sweregreat · 12/06/2017 14:41

The tone on the radio and TV does seem to be ' who will succeed her' now - trouble is, its the same again - the left wing press saying that the person hasnt been elected and it goes round and round again.
I don't think i have ever been as depressed about politics as i have been the last few days. I think that apathy will kick in by the time theres another GE and Brenda from Bristol will be filmed saying 'not another election'.. this is also a worry that people will just switch off - plus the rise of UKip again because of Brexit not being sorted out. it does my head in to be honest! why did they have the referendum? its just divided the nation completely in two - and it will never be dealt with.

christinarossetti · 12/06/2017 14:44

What left wing press? It was only about a week ago that even The Guardian had anything positive to say about JC.

I think there's a huge appetite for another GE among Labour supporters, many of whom feel empowered and engaged for the first time in a couple of decades.

BoysofMelody · 12/06/2017 14:48

the left wing press saying that the person hasnt been elected and it goes round and round again

Ahhh yes, those notoriously left wing press barons. That'd be the Guardian, the Mirror and err......

You've got some gall to complain when the massesd ranks of the right wing press (Mail, Express, Sun, Star, Times, Telegraph have been monstering Corbyn for two years.

BoysofMelody · 12/06/2017 14:51

Oh and the guardian have been as bad undermining Corbyn at every turn. I'm far from his biggest fan, but for the only vaguely left wing broadsheet to be actively sabotaging the leader of the party they claim to support is infuriating. He wasn't my choice to lead the Labour party but he is their (twice) elected leader.

The80sweregreat · 12/06/2017 14:58

squoosh ( waves) hmm, the Tories, it is all about the party - always!
Maybe thats why they lack so much empathy.

squoosh · 12/06/2017 15:02

Interesting article in the Herald giving insight as to what it was like working for TM and her advisors.

www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/15341429.Marianne_Taylor__My_time_spent_defending_the_indefensible_for_Theresa_May_and_her_two_advisors/#comments-anchor

squoosh · 12/06/2017 15:03

Hello 80s! Yep, they're all about the party.......until they realise the party has turned on them! Grin

The80sweregreat · 12/06/2017 15:05

i remember the Mirror's headline saying Go to Corbyn, today its all lovely shots of him smiling and they are friends again. The guardian havent been behind him either for ages.
Mind you, most of the UK seem to read the DM or the sun i believe so not sure how much influence any of this might make really.
Tories will vote for their party regardless of any previous shambles.
Its the way it is. ( my fil, a tory supporter, annoyed me when he stated that Corbyn will ' get rid of M16 and the army' and is a socialist who will wreck the UK. He believes the Sun every time.

Floisme · 12/06/2017 15:38

I think the traditional media are losing their grip anyway. There was a sense of it in 2015 but, because so many young people didn't vote, it didn't affect the outcome. This time it has and they don't quite know what to do about it, which is amusing.

squoosh · 12/06/2017 15:42

Hence Murdoch's alleged hissy fit on election night.

nina2b · 12/06/2017 15:43

hunched over posture, jerky limbs, face a mass of twitches.

She always looks like that.

Ceto · 12/06/2017 15:46

Shame on Carol Ann Duffy. Imagine the fuss if somebody had written something similar about Ed Milliband or Nick Clegg in 2015

Remember that tasteless "joke" TM made about the thought of Corbyn going naked into the debating chamber not being a nice one? Imagine the fuss if he had said that about TM. If she can dish it out, she has to be able to take it.

TheDogAteMyGoatskinVellum · 12/06/2017 15:46

The comparison isn't valid as those elections were contested where there was a competitive third party. This wasn't the case this time round and the vote was split two ways.

Not to mention, the electorate is larger this time. Population was still well under 60 million in Thatcher's days.

The80sweregreat · 12/06/2017 15:48

Murdoch storming out is funny - all that money chucked at their favourite party and they didnt get the result they wanted.
I may feel sorry for Mrs May ( a tiny bit) but not for him and his cronies!
They really are worth gloating over.
She is holding her first cabinet meeting and the Queen;s speech has been delayed, probably so they can re-write the manifesto. which Tories didnt vote for last week. It will still contain the triple lock on pensions so the grey vote is safe again!

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2017 15:55

shame on Carol Ann Duffy : only just seen this : thanks for flagging it up ceto ! I think nay poet it entitled to an opinion and am sure she was commissioned by The Guardian. It's also a very Duffy take on a subject (although I am sure she is annoyed a woman couldn't have been a better role model in power)

I feel fairly sure some nasty , vitriol has been written about both Clegg and Miliband - in the case of the latter less deservedly so.

Ceto · 12/06/2017 15:57

Calling the election - well, I fail to see that anyone else would have done anything else.

But she spent months telling us that having an election would be absolutely the wrong thing to do, so clearly she could see good reasons for not doing it.

But yes, I can see that many Conservative leaders in her position with a 20% lead would have gone for it. The difference is that virtually no-one else would have squandered that lead so very thoroughly.

I wonder how much input she had into the campaign

If she didn't, that's 100% down to her. If she had overruled her advisers on debating with the party leaders, I doubt that they'd have stopped her. Her woeful performance on such occasions as she did turn up on TV was solely down to her. And surely she could have had the sense to see that making noises about bringing back foxhunting was going to go down like a cup of cold sick?

The80sweregreat · 12/06/2017 16:01

Seeing pictures of her with the cabinet have now made me wonder if she is for the chop really.
They may decide its not good to keep having new leaders and just stick with her for now - just hope we all forget it every happened or something. They need stability after all...
( and a new deal with the DUP)
its all so depressing really.

Floisme · 12/06/2017 16:03

Oh she's for the chop I'm sure. But they will manage it cleverly. They always do.