To think that young people came out in record numbers for one simple reason that most people are missing?

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I believe that young people came out in record numbers because they wanted to vote for someone they could trust.

TM like many politicians before her see no problem in going back on her word. She is not alone in this and politicians have been guilty of this from both the right and left side of politics.

Despite your reservations or views on JC it is clear he has not gone back on his word since being elected as the leader of the opposition. He has stood by his word and fought a campaign based on policies he believed in and refused to use dirty smear tactics.

Perhaps people generally are sick of being lied to and electing politicians that seem to showmen/careerists first and representatives of the people second.

dawn
Again basic economics, corbyn would make people poorer and increase tax for all its simple economics. Increase in wage = increase in prices= increase in vat, a lot of his policies would have hit the middle hardest as anyone just getting by now would be faced with price increases and increased taxation, is that a fair society?

Also a lot of these corporations have pension schemes with a vested interest in them, who rely on dividends and growth to keep the pot growing should this dividend fall what will happen to the schemes value? Will the shortfall be filled by the government or the pension owner.

There is no quick fix to many problems and labours race to the bottom certainly is not it.

I am hoping that amodern teaches the piano or yoga with this attitude

I think it's because they're entitled millenials who heard someone promising them the world on a platter and rather than question whether it would happen, wanted all they could grab with their greedy paws.

I'd also say that many of the children I know / teach voted for the Conservatives so it's a bit simplistic to assume that the youth all voted for Labour.

So its only the ones that dont vote the way you want them to that are greedy etc

Re labour tax plans

Excluding taxing the above 80k earners

Surely there is a happy medium between inviting large corporations to come here and take the piss tax wise and scaring them off?

Why wouldn't that get some money?

And no not a labour supporter, i just don't understand why people go from one extreme to the other

"I want children to learn politics from an unbiased viewpoint like mine where they know what's best for there future and not in the face what they get on a giro"

Zeffering Just won the thread.

Oh and here's me thinking things were paid into the bank and giros were very seventies

pumpkin

Luckily for me i missed zeffer posts

*TM like many politicians before her see no problem in going back on her word. She is not alone in this and politicians have been guilty of this from both the right and left side of politics.

Despite your reservations or views on JC it is clear he has not gone back on his word since being elected as the leader of the opposition*

Point unintentionally hilarious since Corbyn's whole campaign was fought on a manifesto full of undeliverable promises meant to appeal to people too naive to look into them.

It will be tragic if he ever gets near power and disappoints that many people, especially young idealistic people. Clegg was bad enough and that was basically one manifesto commitment.

You're fortunate Rufus they were bloody awful but obviously designed to upset folk

A free university education enables the well off to go and restricts the less advantaged from going (just ask Scotland)

How does that work?

I'm just curious as I would probably qualify as 'less advantaged' currently, yet I have two children at university.

It's hardly a newsflash that the young are more idealistic and optimistic than the older generation. They have their lives ahead of them. Of course they are going to respond to someone who gives them hope for that future. the Tories have given them nothing. They didn't even address them. You only have to read the comments on the Times website to see the contempt they are held in by Tory voters. There is no point banging on about how a strong economy will eventually lead to more money for services if most of your life has been lived under austerity and you have yet to see any trickle down of good fortune, just a widening gap between the rich and the poor.There is no point going on about house prices and pensions to a generation who may well never be able to afford to retire, or may never own their own house. There is no point talking about a strong and stable economy if your family's salary has been the same for 10 years and your school and college has had cuts to teachers and services for as long as you can remember.

Oh Zeffering you are funny.
I do so hope the private school your grandchildren go to teaches them the correct use of their and there

Not to mention that global macroeconomics doesn't revolve around having to balance a chequebook (or heaven forfend a giro)

How funny are the people who really believe TM's 'strong and stable' leadership bullshit. I'm 66 I remember who really caused the recession, the property boom and bust, the big three banks combusting etc. and although Blair and Brown weren't fantastic it wasn't them.

People who keep going on about the 'undeliverables' in Corbyn's manifesto also annoy me.

Yes, he should have admitted taxes need to rise across the board for them. But nationalised railways and (at least) lower education costs? We used to have them. At a time when the country as a whole was a lot poorer than they are now. And they still exist on the continent, as does more social housing.

Does the existence of the Benelux, Scandinavian countries and Germany not make people pause to think just once?

Stilldriving. My 2DC who are doctors voted for Labour, DC3, a med student, voted Labour. Don't be so ridiculous! My DC have plenty of aspiration; they also have a social conscience.

He back pedalled pretty quick on the Remain thing. Given that he does generally stick to his guns even if his guns are incredibly unpopular, I can only conclude he always wanted to leave. Which means he was lying before the referendum.

phoolani

May changed her mind a lot about whether to remain or leave

What exactly did corbyn say? Do you know?

I thought he was a eurosceptic

I thought i read it somewhere

A free university education enables the well off to go and restricts the less advantaged from going (just ask Scotland)

If you are from a disadvantaged home in England then you are twice as likely to be able to go to Uni than students in Scotland.

The reason is that when uni is 'free' then it is paid for from a government budget, which means the number of students are capped. When numbers are capped then Unis prefer International students because they are more profitable. So domestic numbers are very squeezed then limited supply and unlimited demand means cost of living goes up and only wealthy children can afford to go.

When Uni is paid for 'by the students', like in England, then its more profitable to let as many students in as possible and everyone gets in according to ability.

Free University is a massive subsidy from the working class to the wealthy middle classes.

It's interesting that we talk of being under austerity, yet out tax take compared to gdp is substantial up on other countries like Canada and Australia. Are they in austerity? Our overspend is higher than the Blair years - so we are spending more than we earn.

People talk of cuts to education - they have for years and years, but compared to gdp spend on education has remained similar for years.

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I'm 66 I remember who really caused the recession, the property boom and bust, the big three banks combusting etc. and although Blair and Brown weren't fantastic it wasn't them.
you do know that the property boom, the bankers bailout and the recession happened under nulabour's watch who were in from 1997 to 2010 - just look it up!

you do know that the property boom, the bankers bailout and the recession happened under nulabour's watch shock who were in from 1997 to 2010 - just look it up!

Depends which property boom you are talking about. One of the booms and busts happened under Nigel Lawson. He wasn't New Labour.
The recession was global caused by sub-prime lending in the US - nothing to do with New Labour.
No, I am not a Labour supporter, but I am tired of Tory apologists. Will you try to blame May's stupidity in calling an unnecessary election and then squandering a majority on Labour as well?

Laughing at zeffering talking of "giros" which haven't been used since the 80s if not before. And yes her mixing up "there" and "their" is funny too....unless she has dyslexia in which case fair enough.

When numbers are capped then Unis prefer International students because they are more profitable. So domestic numbers are very squeezed then limited supply and unlimited

UG International numbers are always capped. Otherwise the temptation would always be here to fill our universities with international students.

When numbers are capped then Unis prefer International students because they are more profitable. So domestic numbers are very squeezed then limited supply and unlimited**

Thanks OP, I liked that bit also.

McTufty, I hope I didn't give the impression that raising tax revenue was simple overall, though there are few things that could implemented within a month.

Hong Kong, Singapore, Toronto and Vancouver all charge a tax on any foreigner buying property that is not for their permanent residential use. Singapore is 5%, Vancouver could be 20%. It wouldn't raise a lot but it would be a start.

Not sure if it's still the case but when we were in retailing supermarket and out of town centres paid no business rates on their car parks. Next Council meeting could change all that.

Back to personal tax. If you work for someone you're taxed through PAYE, you've no choice. But multi-millionaires can give £300million to wife living abroad and neither pay tax. That can't be right.

Two of us live here, we've five apple products between us. For tax purposes Apple is based in Ireland or Luxembourg. If I buy an apple from my local greengrocer the profit he makes is taxed and goes to the UK. If I travel twenty miles to the Apple store, their profits may not go to the UK. That's not right.

Here's one reason the young might have voted Labour, well in Canterbury.

One candidate “… a 63-year-old knight of the realm, Oxbridge-educated with a military background and brief career in finance … (the other) a single mum of two boys, who worked as a teaching assistant ...'Being a single mum, being a teaching assistant, I was 100% dependent on tax credits and my salary was around £7.50 and hour and I couldn't have brought my children up without them. I really felt it was time for someone in parliament to know what they were voting about.” (Saturday's Guardian)

Hardly surprising she won.

The recession starting in 2007 (third one we've been through) had its roots in Thatcher's de-regulation of the City in 1986. Unfettered, no longer playing with their own money they had a field day.